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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Buffer contents well-defined after fgets() reaches EOF ? Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 07:14:28 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <86ldu9zxkb.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <vo9g74$fu8u$1@dont-email.me> <vo9hlo$g0to$1@dont-email.me> <vo9khf$ggd4$1@dont-email.me> <vobf3h$sefh$2@dont-email.me> <vobjdt$t5ka$1@dont-email.me> <vobkd5$t7np$1@dont-email.me> <20250210124911.00006b31@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:14:30 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="93acdcaaf30489276d8996fcd320a4b9"; logging-data="3112477"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+xcTZLIS0IvOUGIk/wzMuQ8tqP6jXSeP4=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aowEgEXt53CC297Wyx4C5kTOSr4= sha1:+/o9se8GAfffvIxXNxsMfOXEOSE= Bytes: 2651 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 17:22:43 -0800 > Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> wrote: > >> On Sun 2/9/2025 5:06 PM, Andrey Tarasevich wrote: >> >>> On Sun 2/9/2025 3:52 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 23:12:44 -0800, Andrey Tarasevich wrote: >>>> >>>>> If `fgets` reads nothing (instant end-of-file), the entire buffer >>>>> remains untouched. >>>> >>>> You mean, only a single null byte gets written. >>> >>> No. The buffer is not changed at all in such case. >> >> ... which actually raises an interesting quiz/puzzle/question: >> >> Under what circumstances `fgets` is expected to return an empty >> string? (I.e. set the [0] entry of the buffer to '\0' and return >> non-null)? >> >> The only answer I can see right away is: >> >> When one calls it as `fgets(buffer, 1, file)`, i.e. asks it to >> read 0 characters. >> >> This is under assumption that asking `fgets` to read 0 characters is >> supposed to prevent it from detecting end-of-file condition or I/O >> error condition. One can probably do some nitpicking at the current >> wording... but I believe the above is the intent. > > fgets() is one of many poorly defined standard library functions > inherited from early UNIX days. [...] What about the fgets() function do you think is poorly defined? Second question: by "poorly defined" do you mean "defined wrongly" or "defined ambiguously" (or both)?