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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: A Famous Security Bug Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:10:28 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Message-ID: <86le5byfdn.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <bug-20240320191736@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <20240320114218.151@kylheku.com> <20240321211306.779b21d126e122556c34a346@gmail.moc> <20240321131621.321@kylheku.com> <utk1k9$2uojo$1@dont-email.me> <20240322083037.20@kylheku.com> <utkgd2$32aj7$1@dont-email.me> <wwva5mpwbh0.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <86o7b3k283.fsf@linuxsc.com> <utppal$gh3s$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:10:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6d92fdb377d11e51f4f17eafe8d18365"; logging-data="1864605"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18KdKqbm3t8rZP66Wh0kw7eDdW4mSQF61g=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:avaR4NP/8x0lFBs14NuaxQ7xL6A= sha1:a9aeSjBrDk/zx5PyhVwIWbQ/qlg= Bytes: 2343 Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes: > On 24/03/2024 16:45, Tim Rentsch wrote: > >> The C standard means what the ISO C group thinks it means. >> They are the ultimate and sole authority. Any discussion about what >> the C standard requires that ignores that or pretends otherwise is >> a meaningless exercise. > > An intentionalist. That is a misunderstanding of what I said. > But when a text has come about by a process of argument, negotation > and compromise and votes, is that postion so easy to defend as it > might appear to be for a simpler text? It's not a position, it's an observation. The ISO C committee is the recognized authority for judgment about the meaning of the C standard. Whatever discussion may have gone into writing the document is irrelevant; all that matters is that the ISO C group went through the approved ISO process, and hence the world at large defers to their view as being authoritative on the question of how to read the text of the standard.