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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: Cell phone tracking Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:28:41 +0100 Organization: Frantic Message-ID: <86ple0p32u.fsf@example.com> References: <20250715.170448.c5f8b4a9@yamn.paranoici.org> <20250715.154746.3a919359@dirge.harmsk.com> <367jklxm6v.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <mdpahnFkmvhU2@mid.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="2445177"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Dqox0dV+chsBG/4UMWLHCsRM7zw= sha1:9HLAkqS4QXaqzI0l7JDzQR0XbqA= X-User-ID: eJwFwQkBwDAIA0BLPCEwOR0F/xJ6F05lJxhEbOzAxXgH1YtfKlW2vD2HMnXYpryGcMP5NvQBEU4Qbg== Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> D wrote: >>>> Anonymous <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org> wrote: >>>>>> I just heard an engineer describing how phones are doing something new >>>> now in tracking people. Some phones today (probably android and apple) >>>> are continuing to track you after you turn the phone off and store the >>>> data on your phone. When you turn them back on, the phone then sends >>>> the tracking data to a server. The only way to defeat this is to put >>>> your phone into a faraday bag, most that don't work. >> This is ridiculous. > For the moment agree, but there's a grain of truth behind it ... There > have always been the tin-foil hat brigade, who claim phones are never > really "off", but these days that's actually true for certain phones. > > In the name of making lost devices findable, the last act of turning a > phone "off" or the battery getting low, is that is notes its location, > pre-generates some beacon frames with (encrypted?) details of its id > and location, then it activates a low power background CPU which > periodically wakes up, and transmits those beacons over bluetooth, in > the hope that a passing device hears them, and forwards them to the > mothership. > > Now, I don't claim that this background activity is actively gathering > location info while off, but we're no longer a million miles from > that, and "off" no longer means literally off ... How does one verify that this is, or is not, happening? And why did this thread which started in a different newsgroup appear here?