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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Final final 1kHz oscillator Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:45:00 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 476 Message-ID: <86s1jj92mnr5vnausdgfll220vtlj6doq0@4ax.com> References: <vglt5t$30a3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <vgn4gm$3lcor$1@dont-email.me> <vgn740$185g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <vgnkgg$3p31a$1@dont-email.me> <vgphhh$2aq3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <bs81jjt7d064jc1ktmvihgn30qkhf67taj@4ax.com> <vgqpi2$18ug$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:45:01 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e5753ce27e12e2d3238ec70b548834c5"; logging-data="524743"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Mf4O/nlkCeCK0+ZD0UymPv5SdLxvOdj8=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:syFwpPGfAr6UmvvU5Q3g2HN/seI= Bytes: 15261 On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 12:12:34 -0500, "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >"Cursitor Doom" <cd@notformail.com> wrote in message news:bs81jjt7d064jc1ktmvihgn30qkhf67taj@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 00:49:36 -0500, "Edward Rawde" >> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vgnkgg$3p31a$1@dont-email.me... >>>> On 9/11/2024 7:39 pm, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>> "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vgn4gm$3lcor$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>> On 9/11/2024 7:43 am, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>>>> This is the simplest circuit I can come up with. >>>>>>> Harmonics are more than 80dB down in simulation. >>>>>>> FFT the last 30 seconds. >>>>>>> There is only one harmonic stopping me claiming 90dB but the exact FFT result can depend >>>>>>> on exactly how much output is selected for the FFT. You may see different results. >>>>>>> >>> >>>I have fixed my circuit but it raises more questions than it answers. >>>This circuit deliberately has no text and no u symbols so should be ready to simulate. >>>If you let it complete (about 20 minutes on a fast PC) the FFT should show at least 80dB purity and there aren't many harmonics >>>standing in the way of 90dB. >>>Startup isn't fast and it takes at least 20 seconds of simulation to fully settle. >> >> Spectral purity might be fine for all I can tell but the output >> amplitude is all over the place, > >Change R9 to 1.07Meg does it amplitude stabilize now? >Adjustment will be needed in any real circuit. Indeed, but for a simulation we should be seeing identical results! I've made the change as you suggested and it's increased the sim time considerably. I'll post again when it's completed. > >> even if the sim is left to run its >> full course. Also, what's the purpose of the 6 diodes in series at the >> top of the schematic? If you need to drop 4V there ought to be a more >> elegant way of doing it! >> >> >> >>>There are two things I don't understand about my own circuit. >>> >>>1. Why does LT1678 work fine in position U2 but LT1057 does not. >>>2. 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