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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2025 10:00:11 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <86wmf589uc.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <memo.20241128153105.12904U@jgd.cix.co.uk> <20241128185548.000031c9@yahoo.com> <vidtpt$pon$1@gal.iecc.com> <2024Nov30.072829@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2024Nov30.123536@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vieuks$1n5ve$1@dont-email.me> <2024Nov30.175756@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <20241130193206.00005c49@yahoo.com> <2024Nov30.190858@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <20241130202851.00005eca@yahoo.com> <2024Dec1.102826@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vihqbd$2hnrp$1@dont-email.me> <86jzcjo1uw.fsf@linuxsc.com> <vii7qf$2m69k$1@dont-email.me> <86zfkbaj3n.fsf@linuxsc.com> <vl3mut$2r4a2$1@dont-email.me> <86v7uy9epq.fsf@linuxsc.com> <vl5o24$39nmu$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2025 19:00:12 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6e19b66cb0c542b6b8c649f7413a0cd9"; logging-data="3046654"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18YOUJRd2v64fdexIJKmabY821R4pZjOo0=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:T47MUag//TSAtWTIT789ODhG4oc= sha1:NR22svDDQ0wOR5Pxd7mW7eLvStE= Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: > Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> schrieb: > >> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >> >>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> schrieb: >>> >>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>>> >>>>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think "ALU can add up to n-bit numbers" is a reasonable >>>>>>> definition for an n-bit architecture, which also fits the >>>>>>> 16-bit 68000. It does not fit the 360/30, or the Nova (but >>>>>>> see de Castro's remark on the latter). >>>>>> >>>>>> To me, the phrase "n-bit architecture" should depend only on >>>>>> such characteristics as are defined by the architecture, and >>>>>> not depend on features of a particular implementation. The >>>>>> 360/30 has a 32-bit (or is it 64-bit?) architecture, but only >>>>>> an 8-bit implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I may add a personal note, it's disappointing that postings >>>>>> in a group nominally devoted to computer architecture routinely >>>>>> ignore the distinction between architecture and implementation. >>>>> >>>>> I'm well aware of that distinction. >>>> >>>> I expect most of the folks who participate in comp.arch are >>>> aware of the distinction. What I find disappointing are >>>> postings that ignore or blur the distinction, so it's hard >>>> to tell where one domain ends and the other begins. >>> >>> If you find discussions about how certain times were used >>> in the past disappointing... [..] >> >> That isn't what I said, nor was it what I meant. > > If it walks like a duck... That is nothing but a gratuitous personal insult. Why do you engage in such conduct?