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From: Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 10:26:26 +0100
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Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:

> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:33:20 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la5br1Fmf3cU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>>Attila wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:45:31 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <Uc6%N.11059$uO7b.4346@fx05.iad> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/8/2024 2:47 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 May 2024 23:15:59 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>>>>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <zME_N.97520$lwqa.80206@fx18.iad> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <6637C82E.65EA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights?  Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is the fourth person...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>>>>>>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>>>>>> The charge would vary according to local law.  In some
>>>>>>>>>>> places two murders and in some places one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!
>>>>>>>>> Reference please.  Or is this your opinion?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> per·son
>>>>>>>> /'p?rs(?)n/
>>>>>>>> noun
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       a human being regarded as an individual.
>>>>>> An individual what? I have individual potted plants growing in my garden.
>>>>> You are now being argumentative.
>>>> Fuck off. That's all you're ever doing here.
>>>>
>>>>> An individual human being,
>>>> tautology
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> " A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's
>>>>> alive!"
>>>> Cattle have all that, and they are not persons.
>>> If you look above you will see I was repeating something
>>> that was said by someone else.  I challenged the statement
>>> and was ignored.
>>>
>>> The origional was posted by The Starmaker
>>>
>>>>>>>>       "the porter was the last person to see her"
>>>>>> What constitutes a human person?
>>>>> Good question.
>>>> You can't answer it.
>>> Again I did not make the origional statement.
>>>
>>> In fact, you copied a part of a definition posted  by The
>>> Starmaker.
>>>
>>> Historically a person was a human being, which is a
>>> socio-legal term that requires species human and live birth.
>>> This is reflected in the laws that differentiate between a
>>> fetus and a legal person.
>>>
>>>>>>> But when exactly does a human being exist?
>>>>>> At conception, of course.
>>>>> Is a fetus a person?
>>>> Not a complete person.
>>> So someone can be a little bit of a person but not a whole
>>> person?  Just what is the difference between an incomplete
>>> person and a complete person?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>a fetus could be considered an incomplete person or human
>
> But not yet a person or a human, just as an acorn is not yet
> an oak tree and an egg is not yet a chicken.

A human fetus is definately human. Where do you draw the line to say an
unborn baby becomes an unborn baby?

Famous atheist Christopher Hitchens doesn't agree with you:

https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/a-left-wing-atheists-case-against-abortion