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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.karotte.org!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Modeling the origins of life: New evidence for an 'RNA World' Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:17:30 +0000 Organization: Frantic Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <86y1aicto5.fsf@example.com> References: <usjara$2pap8$1@dont-email.me> <usnel0$3nuui$1@dont-email.me> <86v85s8tcm.fsf@example.com> <usnn5i$3pq2k$2@dont-email.me> <l5ao6qF6po0U1@mid.individual.net> <AJednWm-tZ46kGz4nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <8634sqecfp.fsf@example.com> <1277204bc5289b66184c03f217ced23f@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="91837"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:CVBpSjJwQRRUtBA+11o2efm5/ww= sha1:ZI1Dk0LC66SCzqzF9ke6oUBuAi0= Return-Path: <news@reader5.news.weretis.net> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id DAB1922976C; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:14:02 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF162229758 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:14:00 -0400 (EDT) id 031277D11E; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D658D7D009 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:17:35 +0000 (UTC) by pmx.weretis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA0B3E93D for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:17:32 +0100 (CET) id E18773E8C3; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:17:31 +0100 (CET) X-User-ID: eJwNwoERgDAIA8CVmhLSMA6i7j+C3n+GoDlUivn+QjJY9Gqp49QlDwvCmtu7KnebU/MEjPUB8GMPlg== Bytes: 3487 Lines: 35 j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com (LDagget) writes: > Richmond wrote: > >> John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> writes: > >>> JTEM has his own vocabulary. By "evolution" he means the modern >>> synthesis, also called (which JTEM would detest) neoDarwinism. What he >>> seeks to attach Darwin's name to is Lysenkoism or neoLamarckism. If >>> you make all those switches what he says is more or less correct. >>> >>> Not sure whether Mao or the CCP adopted Lysenkoism, but it doesn't >>> seem out of the question. >>> > >> The phrase "survival of the fittest" has always seemed suspect to me. We >> hear it repeated to justify capitalism. But there isn't any requirement >> to be 'fit' as far as I can see. There is only a requirement (for genes) >> to survive. For example the camel which sits on the calf of its rival >> and crushes it to death, or the chimpanzee which kills and eats the >> infant offspring of its rivals. In what way is it 'fit'? A biologist >> would define it as merely fit to survive, but then the phrase becomes >> redundant as survival of the survivor. And we see the same results in >> captialism with corporations swallowing up rivals rather than competing >> with them. > > You want to argue against a metaphor by considering it literally. It's not a metaphor. >That > is some mix of dishonest, foolish, and stupid. Oh please fuck off.