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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
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Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 21:22:16 +0000
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:17:49 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:24:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 16:36:47 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 14:50:07 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 13:07:49 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:48:09 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 7:30:46 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 17:30:33 +0000, Michael Monkey Peakbrain akd
>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 1:56:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 18:58:18 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 2:20:10 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 15:29:37 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:07:47 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 18:47:06 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not only are Team Donkey's members not my enemies, but I see no reason
>>>>>>>>>> why anyone should need allies to engage with them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL! Remember what happened the last time you your act solo
>>>>>>>>> rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s. You tried there to pose as the genius
>>>>>>>>> with the encyplopedic knowledge of 1950s music, but (even though your
>>>>>>>>> knowledge of 1950s music is more extensive than your knowledge of
>>>>>>>>> poetry)
>>>>>>>>> you failed miserably, got your ass kicked and had to come here to start
>>>>>>>>> over.
>>>>>>>>> Even if you had the brains of a chimp, you'd be smart enough to realize
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> needed a team this time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I left the 50s group for numerous reasons, the most significant being
>>>>>>>> that it had become a thoroughly unproductive time sap.  I had learned
>>>>>>>> all that I could from it, and the arguments were becoming repetitive
>>>>>>>> rehashes that served no valuable purpose for me to pursue.  Since
>>>>>>>> leaving, I have completed and published numerous books (including a 50s
>>>>>>>> music book), and a monthly poetry magazine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You made the right decision; it is better to put your efforts into
>>>>>>> something more permanent. Please do the same for aapc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, if I felt that I needed a team to participate in this group, I
>>>>>>>> would have sided with PJR, Horatio, and Gwyneth, who were infinitely
>>>>>>>> more knowledgeable,  and better educated than those of "Team Dunce"
>>>>>>>> (which at the time consisted of you and your Donkey).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like Corey, you did; but PJR, the elitist snob that he was, wanted
>>>>>>> nothing to do with either of you; so it was either leave or join the
>>>>>>> opposition. So you joined the opposition, and helped get rid of him,
>>>>>>> then tried to replace him.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you misunderstood and thought the opposition wanted to
>>>>>>> run aapc themselves. I can't speak for the other two, but I don't want
>>>>>>> anyone to run it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You nailed it again, George.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. PJR's team was quite happy to take in both Corey and Michael as
>>>>> allies, but PJR wanted nothing to do with them.
>>>>
>>>> You're delusional, George.
>>>>
>>>> PJR never had a team (unless one counts his friends from his
>>>> alt.net.kooks --but that's a different matter which I'll discuss below).
>>>
>>> Nonsense, MMP. At that time he still had two alt.koos - Aratzio, who
>>> finally moved on, and Cujo de Sockpupput, who moved with you to your
>>> facebook group - but he also had the "Shit People" - Gamble, Houstman,
>>> sherman, and Evans - and the three women they recruited onto aapc:
>>> Karla, Gwyneth, and Cythera. (Out of deference to your tender
>>> sensibilities, I'm using their chosen identifiers rather than my own.)
>>
>> Since you were claiming that "PJR's team was quite happy to take in both
>> Corey and (myself)," I'm only listing members of PJR's alleged "team" at
>> that time.
>>
>> The other "members" you list were all long gone before my arrival.  IIRC
>> there was a Bill(?) Evans who posted briefly during my first or second
>> year here, but he was friendly to both you and your Donkey.
>>
>>
>>>> PJR considered himself to be one of "the regulars."  The regulars were
>>>> actual poets that Will Donkey had not yet driven away.  They were not a
>>>> tean, and he was not their leader.
>>>
>>> Some of his "regulars" were actual poets (like all the ones I've given
>>> above) - some of them were
>>> They weren't his flunkies, in the way Jim and NG were your flunkies; but
>>> they were his echo chamber and his back-up flamers. It isn't necessary
>>> that a team be composed only of flunkies. It's probably true that they
>>> would have preferred to play poet and let PJR protect them from their
>>
>> You've left off mid-sentence again, George.  You're starting to remind
>> me of former President Biden during his recent debates.
>>
>> I really don't care how you differentiate between "flunkies" and
>> "echo-chamber"/"back-up flamers."  I'm aware that you've compiled an
>> ongoing lexicon of petty names and descriptions for everyone who's ever
>> posted here (your Donkey excepted, of course), but these are of no
>> interest to anyone but yourself.
>>
>> PJR didn't have a "Team."  I do not have a "Team."
>>
>> The only time I was a member of a "Team," is when you convinced me that
>> PJR was a "thug" who trolled the group with the intent of shutting it
>> down.  When I discovered how things really were, I turned in my "Team
>> Dunce" membership card.
>>
>>
>>>> PJR coined the term "Team Dunce" to signify you and Will - who he
>>>> considered to be illiterate trolls.
>>>
>>> He also put Chuck Lysaght and Tom Bishop on that list, before their
>>> deaths; and various other people over the years. But it's ridiculous; we
>>> never never acted as a team in any way. Will, for instance, doesn't do
>>> back-up flaming; he only responds to attacks on his own threads.
>>
>> No true, George.
>>
>> Will has been backing you "Well put, George!" in this very thread --
>> which he did not start.
>>
>> As to Mssrs. Lysaght and Bishop, they were before my time.  However, I'm
>> sure that you've tricked many people into joining "Team Dunce" over the
>> years.
>>
>> After all, you cordially greet all of the new members who come here --
>> whereas PJR did not.  And since PJR (at least when I was here) usually
>> came around simply to flame all of the "Team Dunce" members (and people
>> like Corey who didn't shun them), it was easy to believe that he, and
>> not your Donkey, was the troll.
>>
>>
>>> The
>>> only person I know whom I can remember doing back-up flaming for me is
>>> you; othwerwise I've been on my own here. "Team Dunce" was just PJR's
>>> "enemies list" and nothing else.
>>
>> Both Will and his sock (Stinky George) have backed you on innumerable
>> threads.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> The "kook" site was created to expose Usenet kooks in a humorous manner.
>>>>  "Wranglers" would engage in discussions with people in various Usenet
>>>> groups, searching for racists and assorted nutjobs whose buttons were
>>>> easily pressed.  They would goad these "kooks" into having a "meltdown"
>>>> online, then cross-post their meltdown to alt.kooks.  The other members
>>>> would then join in, creating further meltdowns.  They would also give
>>>> out various "awards" to the various "kooks."
>>>
>>> I'm aware of that, and I've written about the same thing; it's in their
>>> archives. By the time I arrived, though, members of the group were
>>> priaarily doing the same thing to non-kooss (like the lawyer who later
>>> took them to court and ended the group as a significant player).
>>>
>>> What PJR did, when he got control of the group as FNVW, was bring them
>>> into RAP and aapc, and use them against anyone he considered an enemy -
>>> his "enemies list" as I said.
>>
>> That's ridiculous, George.
>>
>> PJR came to AAPC and RAP because he is a poet.  He found some kooks here
>> (notably you and your Donkey -- and later, myself, when I was stupid
>> enough to believe you), and proceeded to make you his "chew toys."
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Since you and Will were considered to be "kooks," PJR cross-posted your
>>>> "meltdowns" to alt.kooks, which brought some of his fellow members (like
>>>> Cujo and Aratzio) here.
>>>
>>> Maybe he did consider everyone he used alt.kooks against to be a "kook,"
>>> but that includes a lot of people who obviously weren't. Either he was
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