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From: Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: General Motors quietly closed the door this week on a goal to make only electric vehicles by 2035.
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:53:12 -0400
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

> On 7/17/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:04:43 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen
>> <beej@beej.us> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <1vki7k10egcrhostdbs6sp6ml5pdri0r93@4ax.com>,
>>> Catrike Ryder  <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> Gas and oil subsidies are for fuel sources. EV subsidies are to
>>>> manipulate consumer purchases.
>>>
>>> I agree insofar as I agree that consumers don't purchase gas and oil.
>> Gas and oil are important for many more things that automobiles.
>> Batteries for trucks, trains, ships, and airplanes are only dreams.
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>
> And ethylene for a gazillion polymer products and packages.
> And asphalt, bunker fuel and solvents. And myriad other crude cracking
> fractions.  Oh, plus helium (there's a shortage) from natural gas
> production.

Natural gas for ammonia production, meaning nitrate fertilizers and
feedstock for all sorts of amines.  Fossil fuel is used for almost all
cement production, used to build almost everything.  Coke from coal for
steel production.  It's possible to imagine replacing all of these with
something else, actually doing so will be very difficult.

The supply of fossil fuels is certainly finite, and eventually all of
those replacements will have to be done or industrial civilization
abandoned.  Guessing when that will happen is a mug's game.

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