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From: Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: Thoughts on industrial design
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:57:42 -0400
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> writes:

> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:48:54 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
>>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
>>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
>>>>>>> part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
>>>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
>>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
>>>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
>>>>>
>>>>> Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
>>>>> experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
>>>>> to help on motorways and similar.
>>>>>
>>>>> I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
>>>>> isn?t the best in this category.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
>>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
>>>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
>>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
>>>>>> for discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
>>>>> in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
>>>>> shifting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
>>>> with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
>>>> for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
>>>> transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
>>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
>>>> with either one.
>>>>
>>>> As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
>>>> not worth discussing.
>>>>
>>> I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
>>> just preference.
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>>
>>  Just so we have this straight - this dumbass thinks automobile 
>>shifting preferences are worth discussing but bicycle shifting 
>>preferences are not...in a bicycle technical forum....
>>
>>Fucking dumbass.....
>
> Actually, I simply stated my opinions and preferences, Dummy. I wasn't
> suggesting a discussion. You can discuss automobile shifting if you
> want, but I'll opt out.

Some of us opt out silently.  Just saying.

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