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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniel Cerqueira <dan.list@lispclub.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Undefined in LISP Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 16:56:35 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <87bjtr3cu4.fsf@lispclub.com> References: <87ldsyatmd.fsf@lispclub.com> <vrlajl$2uuho$2@dont-email.me> <87ecyp9slp.fsf@lispclub.com> <vrnbpo$rkfk$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 17:56:43 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2776c521a1c9ad9eddfc976361338843"; logging-data="2904291"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18JyvIzuJ4mhVrz1WLkkFhuAXbcEFfCa7U=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:RRvjFtsb4/AnjHAihHphJZrgbSE= sha1:a4tpRA76x3Z2lrNEFjWFS2icAxI= X-GDPR: no Bytes: 2079 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:07:14 +0000, Daniel Cerqueira wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >> >>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:47:38 +0000, Daniel Cerqueira wrote: >>> >>>> I would like to know your thoughts, about what being undefined >>>> actually is. Should an undefined expression be represented by a >>>> symbol, or should an undefined expression be silent (without >>>> returning a symbol)? >>> >>> Should an attempt to evaluate such an expression even terminate? >> >> My opinion is that it should... > > So undefined behaviour cannot be really undefined, it must return some > kind of value we are going to arbitrarily name as “undefined”? Does every LISP S-expression need to have a value (need to be evaluated)? Is atributing a symbol to undefined behaviour needed? -- The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service. ~ Albert Einstein