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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 01:18:57 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <87ecwtmkge.fsf@bsb.me.uk> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <vvjeqf$28555$1@dont-email.me> <vvjffg$28g5i$1@dont-email.me> <875xiaejzg.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjgt1$28g5i$5@dont-email.me> <87jz6qczja.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjotc$28g5i$12@dont-email.me> <vvnh9u$3hd96$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <vvno4e$3in62$2@dont-email.me> <vvo71c$rlt$1@news.muc.de> <PlNTP.270466$lZjd.128570@fx05.ams4> <vvochv$15td$2@news.muc.de> <vvodn5$3na6l$3@dont-email.me> <1276edeb9893085c59b02bbbd59fe2c64011736b@i2pn2.org> <vvqk4s$gldn$12@dont-email.me> <vvqln4$g8ck$5@dont-email.me> <vvrftj$ndkg$1@dont-email.me> <vvrima$nejb$3@dont-email.me> <877c2loj7b.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <871pstoj2n.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vvtdou$17c1i$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 02:18:58 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="938331c45a569ede21e499c9e2c7da72"; logging-data="1453694"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/tKivLqfox61s2vMC1N4oa4xG/FPcGWJo=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Y3xe90bmGJfMOWtjZA4nr3PBfSA= sha1:YGtFHjRGOBAtAb8Qv1dkarVTvzQ= X-BSB-Auth: 1.e8ed2de71596e20b6e06.20250513011857BST.87ecwtmkge.fsf@bsb.me.uk Bytes: 2901 Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes: > On 12/05/2025 18:05, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes: >> >>> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes: >>> >>>> On 12/05/2025 01:38, Mike Terry wrote: > > <snip> > >>>>> No single computation can be undecidable, considered on its own! There >>>>> are only two possibilities: it halts or it doesn't. >>>> >>>> Or both, it seems. You say it halts (and I would not hesitate to take you at >>>> your word if the alternative is to dredge up a Windows system from >>>> somewhere). Olcott says it is non-halting. >> This is very odd. You know it either halts or it does not halt so what >> do you mean by "Or both, it seems."? > > 'Odd' is exactly the word. > > Mr Olcott claims it never halts, I don't think he does. He claims that returning 0 is the correct result, but that is all. > and Mike Terry claims that it halts almost immediately. > > Perhaps we should send DDD to a robopsychiatrist. No need. It halts and PO claims that 0 (false) is the correct result from some halting computations. He's been quite clear about this in the past. -- Ben.