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From: Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Patching TPU innertube
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2025 00:49:34 +0000
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> On 1/1/2025 6:30 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> 
>>> On 12/31/2024 6:25 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:54:03 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I read Frankie's violins. If I remember the test correct it was
>>>>> carried out in a hotel room and the test players got to play each
>>>>> instrument for something like 1 minute.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you should read more than one article before wading into a
>>> discussion you know nothing about.
>> I have no opinion on whether violin players can tell the difference
>> between Strads and modern violins.  It's not important to my point,
>> which is that *someone* can tell the difference, even if it requires an
>> electron microscope.  That is all that is required to explain the
>> difference in price.  Even if the preference is completely unrelated to
>> the sound actually produced by the violins.
>> A preference for old violins based completely on history and emotion
>> may
>> be a problem for you, but it makes perfect sense to economists.  The
>> multi-million dollar price seems to be the biggest issue for you; I'm
>> not sure why. 
>
> It's not an issue for me, and I didn't say it was. I'll never attempt
> to buy a Strad, and I'll never expect to get millions if I sell one of
> my fiddles.
>
> But since this is Usenet, so you can read back to see the flow of the
> thread. We got into this kerfuffle from Roger's statement that "feel"
> of a tire can be important, apart from rolling resistance.

I did read the thread.

> I expressed some skepticism, saying "Given what I've read about
> violins (Stradivarius can't be told from modern ones in blind hearing
> tests) and wines (cheap wines really light up pleasure centers in the
> brain if tasters are told the wine is expensive), I'm somewhat
> skeptical of a lot of "feel" judgements regarding bike tires - and
> bikes."

The issue you introduced with violins and wines is price. Not much was
made of price differences with bike tires, although if you can't tell
the difference cheaper is always better.  Paying large amounts for
something that may not be objectively better certainly seemed to bother
you.  If that's not really the case then perhaps you should review your
communication style.

> Then we were off to the races, with a surprising number of experts
> telling us all about violins.

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