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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Unconventional partial halt decider and grounding to a truthmaker Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 13:50:00 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 56 Message-ID: <87frugiow7.fsf@bsb.me.uk> References: <v18e32$1vbql$1@dont-email.me> <v1m5co$lbo4$2@i2pn2.org> <v1m71h$1jnpi$1@dont-email.me> <v1m7mh$lbo5$5@i2pn2.org> <v1mb8f$1kgpl$1@dont-email.me> <v1mkf8$lbo5$7@i2pn2.org> <v1mkmm$1q5ee$1@dont-email.me> <v1na6f$1ugl0$1@dont-email.me> <v1o67n$24f4c$1@dont-email.me> <v1q1ie$2l40t$1@dont-email.me> <v1q9fp$qb0p$1@i2pn2.org> <v1qmq8$2prs6$1@dont-email.me> <v1qouc$2qb2s$1@dont-email.me> <v1vbpd$3gbc$1@dont-email.me> <v1vslr$7enr$1@dont-email.me> <v21qdm$op3a$1@dont-email.me> <v22j1j$u8vi$3@dont-email.me> <v24nv1$1h2lu$1@dont-email.me> <v256bn$1kahe$1@dont-email.me> <v26fdq$18ad7$1@i2pn2.org> <v26vrm$19bp2$1@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 14:50:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="80ee5154a20b4247f91fd687134a3fac"; logging-data="2318040"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+KQ79AT0el2qBB/O6B/TvD7qnBSDsSUa0=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dhIx5P43wq5flYQzO0myZwXJEWE= sha1:8uXCiEaWHQsbITavXbMHmwkSdcI= X-BSB-Auth: 1.688b180b515573fc7567.20240517135000BST.87frugiow7.fsf@bsb.me.uk Bytes: 3974 joes <noreply@example.com> writes: > Am Thu, 16 May 2024 22:29:14 -0400 schrieb Richard Damon: >> Yep, perhaps some day soon we will be rid of your lies. > That’s low. > Your continuous cries of „liar” aren’t any better than Peter’s spam. Long before I stopped replying to PO I stopped calling his remarks lies. He is simply too deluded to be reliably accused of lying. After all, he published a website claiming to bring new scripture to the world and defended himself in court (on an unrelated matter) with the claim that he was God. Unless all of that was just a game, he is not sufficiently in touch with reality to be a liar. When I did engage with him it was to try to pin down what he was really saying and, after years of back-and-forth, he made two unequivocal statement that, to my mind, render all subsequent discussion pointless. First, when asked "Here's the key question: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the 'correct' answer even though P(P) halts?" He replied: "Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts." Second, when talking about axioms and proofs he claims that if {A,B,C} |- X then {A,B,C,~A} ~|- X (|- being "proves" and ~|- being "does not prove"). The first shows that he's not talking about that halting problem and the second that when he says he's "refuted" all the proofs he does not know what the words mean. Of course, he can retract these statements at any time and move on, but he won't. Some of his more deluded claims look like lies because he back-peddled on them himself. His December 2018 claim to have "... encoded all of the exact TMD instructions of the Linz Turing machine H that correctly decides halting for its fully encoded input pair: (Ĥ, Ĥ)." was rowed-back and eventually claimed to be "poetic licence". Was it a lie? I think his mental illness was simply in a manic phase and he'd "seen the light" and wanted to tell the world. Maybe I am being too kind here, I don't know. What I do know is that it's pointless talking to someone who has made it so clear that they are not talking about the halting problem and that they don't even know what a proof is. -- Ben.