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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: To sum up Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 17:11:53 +0000 Organization: Dis Lines: 36 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <20250219171153.4d7463651f004fa555cba47f@127.0.0.1> References: <vo1kt4$2r8m5$1@dont-email.me> <e6ibrjhr9htbohmpk6id91frsfvc45g57v@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="8463"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Lc1YYM3TJhnQG8XYQ/fTGbCugWw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id D09FE22978C; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 12:12:05 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D282229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 12:12:03 -0500 (EST) id E3FE71C9E00; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAA0E1C03FE for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8668B60623 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 17:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/8668B60623; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=127.0.0.1 id 19AD0DC01CA; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:11:54 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:11:54 +0100 (CET) SigSep: is ALWAYS dash dash space newline X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32) GNU: Terry Pratchett ;X-no-Archive: Maybe X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX181dyytTa4sldehmQN6R/WpX0p194+VgnMQPn0DJCFhWw== tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3927 On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 07:22:06 -0500 jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:29:54 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Has talk.origins run its course, with this incarnation (post-GG > >meteorite impact) the last of the dinosaurs? > > > >And what of the Origins debate? My contention is that progressive > >discoveries with the complexity and precision of life are making Mt > >Improbable higher and higher [1]. ID has gained and sustained traction > >because this trend is real. I would add to this arguments relating to > >first-cause, fine-tuning, the Cambrian explosion, etc. > > > Since this point has become a bone of contention among some posters, > it would be helpful if you clarified exactly what you meant by "ID has > gained and sustained traction". Do you believe ID has done so among > scientists? Or among the general U.S. population? If the latter, > that is my impression also. It is part and parcel of the larger > movement which has melded distrust of science and scientists in with > reactionary politics and populist religious movements. If you ever > get back to this point, thank you in advance for taking some time to > answer my question. > I feel you are correct. 'Truth' is a flexible thing, for a lot of people these days. > -- > To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge > -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.