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From: Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: San Francisco bicyclist sues over crash involving 2 Waymo cars
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:23:26 -0400
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Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:

> Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Seems the initiating incident was a dooring by a Waymo passenger on the
>> driver's side.  I don't know how this is handled with human drivers, can
>> a driver be cited for failing to control a passenger?  After that the
>> cyclist alleges a second Waymo cut her off while heading for the curb.
>> At that point
>
> Transport for london buses and black cabs and mini cabs absolutely get into
> trouble for allowing someone to exit in an unsafe location, it’s also an
> easy personal insurance claim! 

Suppose it's a reasonable location, but someone on a bicycle happens to
be riding by?  If the driver opens his door he's clearly at fault.  Less
clear to me if it is a passenger, perhaps disregarding the professional
driver's advice.

> Someone I knew had this happened to him, in Kingston one way system he was
> in one of the lanes and someone (young woman) opened the door to exit the
> car, and doored him, causing significant and life changing injuries, mainly
> torn his arm open and is grip was never what it was.
>
> Her insurance folded absolutely no defence, and the police where quite keen
> to proceed with a case but he didn’t feel it was worth it, she was young
> and utterly horrified at what she had done, so he didn’t see the value in
> that.

Was she a passenger?  I don't know what a "one way system" is.

>>    The bike hit the first car’s open door, ejecting the cyclist, and she
>>    was thrown into the passenger side of the second car. She suffered
>>    "serious" injuries and was taken to a hospital by ambulance, the
>>    complaint says.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.siliconvalley.com/2025/06/10/san-francisco-bicyclist-crash-waymo/
>> 
>> I have never seen a Waymo operating, and can't judge how dangerous they
>> might be compared to human drivers.
>> 
> I believe all of the self driving vehicles like consistency so don’t like
> pedestrian and cyclists and so on, hence the much easier lane assist
> processing much faster.

Eventually we'll all be required to be implanted with radio
transponders, and transportation efficiency will reach undreamt of highs.

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