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From: Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net>
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 18:15:02 -0400
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

> On 5/31/2024 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 5/31/2024 2:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 5/31/2024 1:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2024 11:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> ...   I can't think of any well run major city in USA.
>>>>
>>>> With all due respect: Do you have examples of "well run" cities in
>>>> other countries? (Although we should recognize that American
>>>> cities must exist within the framework of American laws,
>>>> constitution and history.)
>>>>
>>>> My main point here is that your definition of "well run" may be
>>>> overly idealistic. It may be no more realistic than the extreme
>>>> left's visions of cities where police are unnecessary, poverty
>>>> does not exist, everybody is vegan and rides bicycles... or
>>>> whatever.
>>>>
>>>> I've asked similar questions regarding national policies regarding
>>>> taxation, etc. If you can't give examples of countries or cities
>>>> that, in your view, do things properly, it may be that your
>>>> standards are unrealistic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can't offhand in USA. But the (post Pacific War) exemplar is
>>> Singapore, notably efficient with notably small, even negligible,
>>> amounts of corruption.
>>>
>>> So it is possible for humans. Just not here.
>> Yeah, singapore....I guess if you're a big proponent of 
>> following rules and conforming to government dictates of
>> 'decency'.....
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/absurd-laws-of-singapore-2012-6
>> but hey, I'll bet the trains run on time...
>
> They do of course and they system is not a filthy mugger's paradise
> like CTA and NYC trains:
>
> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xd42CnVyU08/maxresdefault.jpg
>
>
> There's no litter or gum on the sidewalks, extremely low crime rate.
>
> I couldn't live there* but the actual citizens of Singapore
> overwhelmingly approve of city administration and have for 
> decades.
>
> OTOH corruption, crime and filth combined with high Singapore level
> taxes lacks appeal as well:
>
> https://www.illinoispolicy.org/9-years-of-decline-expect-chicago-to-be-no-4-behind-houston-by-2035/
>
>
> *not only a question of liberty. Check out the rents!!
> https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Singapore

From https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/caught-speeding-singapore/

   For serious traffic offences such as exceeding the speed limit by more
   than 40 km/h, offenders will be prosecuted in court. In this situation,
   offenders can be fined up to $1,000 and/or jailed for up to 3 months for
   a first conviction in court.

   These maximum penalties are doubled for repeat offenders. Repeat
   offenders who have been convicted at least 2 times for exceeding the
   speed limit by more than 40 km/h may also face enhanced penalties under
   section 67(A) of the Road Traffic Act.

   In this case, the court may exercise its discretion to sentence a repeat
   offender to up to 3 times the punishment that he would otherwise be
   liable for, subject to a jail term of up to 10 years. On top of that,
   repeat offenders who cause serious injury or death to another person may
   also be caned up to 6 strokes.

Exceeded the speed limit twice by more than 25 mph?