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From: Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
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Capitalism and social democracy ... have pros & cons and can be used for
checks & balances ... example, On War
https://www.amazon.com/War-beautifully-reproduced-illustrated-introduction-ebook/dp/B00G3DFLY8/
loc394-95: As long as the Socialists only threatened capital they were
not seriously interfered with, for the Government knew quite well that
the undisputed sway of the employer was not for the ultimate good of the
State.

i.e. the government needed general population standard of living
sufficient that soldiers were willing to fight to preserve their way of
life. Capitalists tendency was to reduce worker standard of living to
the lowest possible ... below what the government needed for soldier
motivation ... and therefor needed socialists as counterbalance to the
capitalists in raising the general population standard of living. Saw
this fight out in the 30s, American Fascists opposing all of FDR's "new
deals" The Coming of American Fascism, 1920-1940
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/172004 The truth, then, is that
Long and Coughlin, together with the influential Communist Party and
other leftist organizations, helped save the New Deal from becoming
genuinely fascist, from devolving into the dictatorial rule of big
business. The pressures towards fascism remained, as reactionary sectors
of business began to have significant victories against the Second New
Deal starting in the late 1930s. But the genuine power that organized
labor had achieved by then kept the U.S. from sliding into all-out
fascism (in the Marxist sense) in the following decades.

aka "Coming of America Fascism" shows socialists countered the "New
Deal" becoming fascist ... which had been the objective of the
capitalists ... and possibly contributed to forcing them further into
the Nazi/fascist camp. When The Bankers Plotted To Overthrow FDR
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/12/145472726/when-the-bankers-plotted-to-overthrow-fdr
The Plots Against the President: FDR, A Nation in Crisis, and the Rise
of the American Right
https://www.amazon.com/Plots-Against-President-Nation-American-ebook/dp/B07N4BLR77/

"Why Nations Fail"
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Nations-Fail-Origins-Prosperity-ebook/dp/B0058Z4NR8/
original settlement, Jamestown ... English planning on emulating the
Spanish model, enslave the local natives to support the
settlement. Unfortunately the North American natives weren't as
cooperative and the settlement nearly starved. Then started out
switching to sending over some of the other populations from the British
Isles essentially as slaves ... the English Crown charters had them as
"leet-man" ... pg27: The clauses of the Fundamental Constitutions laid
out a rigid social structure. At the bottom were the "leet-men," with
clause 23 noting, "All the children of leet-men shall be leet-men, and
so to all generations."

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