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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 07:31:32 -1000 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 30 Message-ID: <87msjvprm3.fsf@localhost> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <5mqdnZuGq4lgwm_7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vcub5c$36h63$1@dont-email.me> <1r0e6u9.1tubjrt1kapeluN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> <vcuib9$37rge$5@dont-email.me> <vcvuhh$3hroa$2@dont-email.me> <llhieuF8ej2U2@mid.individual.net> <vd0uch$3lgc3$9@dont-email.me> <pDVIO.50851$2nv5.43199@fx39.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 19:31:37 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f86401bc72d7cfc34c5731e9e5953e36"; logging-data="3958792"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+X6ZyQLBLRrXKqu+ubDNSRS9s5ob13V9g=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gYWQ7YK6olXqDeMdpbUeTxCDwBY= sha1:GrTlWoIOa852oLrwwsTJQeH6gaQ= Bytes: 2751 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: > VAX-11 Pascal, on the other hand, was wonderful. Enough useful > extensions to make it a very viable systems programming language. I was at San Jose Research, but doing some amount of work out at Los Gatos lab and they let me have part of a wing with offices and lab. They were doing lots of work with "TWS", from Metaware (in santa cruz) ... and had implemented 370 Pascal which they used for developing VLSI tools. It was eventually released to customers as VS/Pascal. I used it to rewrite VM370 spool running in virtual address space and some number of other VM370 features. In the early 90s, IBM was going through its troubles and selling off and/or offloading lots of stuff (real estate, divisions, etc), including lots of VLSI tools to industry VLSI tools vendor. However, the standard VLSI shop was SUN machines and so everything had to be ported to SUN. I had left IBM, but got a contract from Los Gatos to port a 50,000 statement VS/Pascal VLSI design tool to SUN. Ran into all sorts of problems, it was easy to drop by SUN up the road, but they had outsourced SUN pascal to a organization on the opposite of the world, so anything required at least a day's turn around. In retrospect, SUN pascal seemed to have been used for little else than academic instruction ... and it would have been easier to have rewritten the whole thing in C. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970