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From: Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: personal stories
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 06:04:04 -0300
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D <nospam@example.net> writes:

> On Tue, 25 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
>
>>> Yes, not to perpetuate the system is one of my reasons for not
>>> voting. It is funny, when I was young, I was very conservative. And as
>>> the years have passed, I've become more libertarian. My father, when
>>> he was young, was a communist, and during his life, he becase a
>>> moderate conservative.
>>
>> I can say the same.  I was quite more leftist years ago.  It is very
>> sensible: if people need protection, say, it makes perfect sense that
>> we'd use our resources to protect them.  But then, with more experience,
>> you realize how non-trivial the situation is and that all of the
>> /sensible/ policy actually ends up working against itself.
>
> Many good hearted leftists are leftists because they cannot see or do not think
> about second order, or third order, or N order effects. They get stuck at the
> immediate problem and do not think of how the consequences of their immediate,
> knee jerk, solution will cause more pain down the line. This is sad. =(

Quite right.  And there is the folly of rewarding A while hoping for B.

  Kerr, Steven. ``On the folly of rewarding A, while hoping for B.''
  Academy of Management journal 18.4 (1975): 769-783.

> Then of course you have evil leftists who are fully aware of this, and
> are leftists due to political power gains.

And there's the post-modernist movement, with their sheer nonsense and
confusion, that finds good reception in such groups---probably more so
than in others.

>>>>> But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a
>>>>> doctor who watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone,
>>>>> and eventually she was so tired of the process that she said, what
>>>>> ever... write your own certificate, slap my name and signature on
>>>>> it, and just email me if you travel so I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D
>>>>
>>>> Lol.  She got tired. :)
>>>
>>> Yep! But the did also not like the vaccine, and let me in on a little
>>> secret.  About 30% of her clinics staff were not vaccinated because
>>> they thought the tests were too few and it was too early. Officially
>>> all said they were, and no one spoke about it out of fear of getting
>>> kicked out of the clinic, but in private, during hushed lunch
>>> conversations, many admitted to not getting vaccinated.
>>
>> Very interesting.  I have a similar experience.  Every now and then I
>> hear from someone that they did not take any vaccine, or took one the
>> first shots, giving up afterwards.  Some (sadly) remark that they took a
>> first shot (or a few shots) but they never wanted to.  I have a very
>> close friend, for instance, who said she wouldn't take anything at all,
>> but that her son unfortunately took because he wanted to go to the
>> cinema.  (I almost couldn't believe what I heard.)  Another friend
>> remarked that she took three shots because she couldn't find a way out
>> due to her work---but she works in the same organization as I do.  The
>> rules were the same for the two of us, so that's a case of unclear
>> understanding of the rules.  That's something I've been telling my
>> family for many years.  We need to understand how the system works---in
>> this case, what was available at our work place that we could use to
>> protect ourselves?  The more we understand, the better we can protect
>> ourselves.
>
> I heard about a woman who was kicked out of blue shield due to not taking
> vaccines. She won a law suit and got millions in damages! =D There is hope!

We should check whether she really got the money.  Getting a lawsuit
your way doesn't imply an increase in the checking account balance
(until later).