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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: technology discussion =?utf-8?Q?=E2=86=92?= does the world need a "new" C ? Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 00:15:13 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <87plrmp37i.fsf@bsb.me.uk> References: <v66eci$2qeee$1@dont-email.me> <v687h2$36i6p$1@dont-email.me> <871q48w98e.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <v68dsm$37sg2$1@dont-email.me> <87wmlzvfqp.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <v6ard1$3ngh6$4@dont-email.me> <v6b0jv$3nnt6$1@dont-email.me> <87h6d2uox5.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <v6d779$6rk5$2@dont-email.me> <v6e76u$c0i9$1@dont-email.me> <v6esqm$fian$2@dont-email.me> <v6f7vg$hgam$1@dont-email.me> <20240707164747.258@kylheku.com> <v6gl83$s72a$1@dont-email.me> <v6h8ao$ur1v$1@dont-email.me> <v6jhk3$1drd6$1@dont-email.me> <v6jiud$1dsjb$1@dont-email.me> <877cdur1z9.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v6joi4$1epoj$1@dont-email.me> <871q42qy33.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v6k26q$1g7uk$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 01:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4de7691f4ab8416481d0de19b6a8d938"; logging-data="1659305"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19gnM8Sn9GpiXuhR5Q0NiPw+2Y2kFmHSiQ=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:vuRNbxqEBqd5OAnqO8vyrx3a71w= sha1:snMXdWlKDkrExHcBWReOXl65Gr0= X-BSB-Auth: 1.57bf1a027545eeb8d8c2.20240710001513BST.87plrmp37i.fsf@bsb.me.uk Bytes: 3220 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> writes: > On 7/9/2024 12:22 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >> >>> On 09/07/2024 16:58, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> Arrays are passed by reference: >>>>> >>>>> void F(int a[20]) {} >>>>> >>>>> int main(void) { >>>>> int x[20]; >>>>> F(x); >>>>> } >>>> This is the sort of thing that bad tutors say to students so that they >>>> never learn C properly. All parameter passing in C is by value. All of >>>> it. You just have to know (a) what the syntax means and (b) what values >>>> get passed. >>> >>> The end result is that a parameter declared with value-array syntax is >>> passed using a reference rather than by value. >>> >>> And it does so because the language says, not because the ABI requires >>> it. A 2-byte array is also passed by reference. >> An address value is passed by value. C has only one parameter passing >> mechanism. You can spin it as much as you like, but C's parameter >> passing is simple to understand, provided learner tune out voices like >> yours. > > Though, in ABI specs, this would usually still be termed as "pass by > reference" I am not saying that Bart is alone in getting this wrong. Any document that that says that C have any parameter passing mechanism other than pass by value is wrong. But then I doubt any ABI spec says that since an ABI is, almost by definition, not about the C language. -- Ben.