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From: Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com>
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 22:46:02 -0300
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D <nospam@example.net> writes:

> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
>
>> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> My dream is that people will start to use small self-hosted,
>>> end-to-end encrypted chat services, so that the laws forbidding
>>> encryption become meaningless.
>>
>> That's my idea, too.  I don't think the USENET is actually a perfect
>> project.  I think communities should not too large.  So I think we
>> should build more NNTP servers to be used by small communities.  And
>> then these servers should have a standard API so that an index could be
>> created somewhere where people can discover communities.
>>
>> Imagine how many closed NNTP servers, mailing lists are out there and
>> nobody knows.
>>
>> The web is like that.  A website sends you to another one.  This is
>> decentralization.  No NNTP servers send you to another one, except those
>> that have peers, but then it's as if they're all the same.  My idea is
>> to make NNTP servers more like the web.
>>
>> I don't know if it works.  I'm thinking out loud.
>
> That would be a nice take on NNTP. A kind of "federated" nntp model,
> as opposed to todays standardize and "global" version. Federated is
> perhaps not the right word for it.
>
> I think I see your vision here... we could think of the local nntp
> servers as small communities, you could opt-in to make them public,
> keep them private, or just register them with a search engine if you
> want.
>
> That model also would avoid all the newsgroup hierarchy stuff, you
> just name your groups what ever you want, and you can decide to setup
> peers with other communities you know.

Yeah---that's the idea.  But it's also future.  First thing is to get a
nice prototype with the mundane work done so that we can start dreaming
up something cool like that.  More to follow eventually.