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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net> Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer Subject: Re: Faking a TTY on a pipe/socketpair Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:27:37 +0000 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <87ttb2i5iu.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com> References: <vh9vgr$5bb$1@dont-email.me> <vip46l$omqu$1@dont-email.me> <vir23n$17csf$5@dont-email.me> <virnn2$1g9ja$1@dont-email.me> <vit3dg$1quau$1@dont-email.me> <slrnvleknf.apv.jj@iridium.wf32df> <wwvfrmv3os3.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <vj91a1$t8pn$1@dont-email.me> <vja9r8$14k6s$1@dont-email.me> <vjbiop$1f2e5$1@dont-email.me> <vjd3jg$1od5c$3@dont-email.me> <vje7fb$21u8i$1@dont-email.me> <vjfo8l$2vfl9$3@dont-email.me> <vjh2rr$3c08v$1@dont-email.me> <20241213074207.00004176@gmail.com> <vjind8$3mkah$2@dont-email.me> <87frmqja0n.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com> <vjmit9$it70$1@dont-email.me> <87y10gd4fj.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com> <vjonks$11u0m$1@dont-email.me> <vjq0c8$1992d$2@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 9OAlUDyVb/J04NrHQWExvAfvYfLDLacIrNSv+KqDrDkAJHL0o= Cancel-Lock: sha1:CxrgIwhPY5xpCxuDY8LZohoV/5U= sha1:zGDbANW5S/v4ts4Wh1lLynG6xds= sha256:p5ufGMe5BFhc/b75/ffQ8hws4RTiCYpHPYatqfLnP4c= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Bytes: 2060 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 08:16:28 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote: >> Far too many people think complicated = clever. > > You mean, clever like struggling with complicated workarounds to clunky, > ancient init systems that don’t actually handle service management very > well, when more modern ones solve long-standing problems in a much simpler > and more elegant fashion? The systemd-252 codebase which is used for Debian 12 is composed of (sloccount) 690,648 lines of code. That's anything but simple.