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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> Newsgroups: rec.puzzles Subject: Re: Repeated digits in Pi -- the Feynman point Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 15:30:02 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <87v7o9o3sl.fsf@asdf.ee> References: <ea5b61ab87d81b795bd5229a1086001c@www.novabbs.com> <103dk9v$1rrnj$2@dont-email.me> <103flt5$2bfhg$1@dont-email.me> <103k5nq$3ju79$1@dont-email.me> <103k89m$k0uf$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 14:45:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e06df7e112901c1d356be5f12849a779"; logging-data="194409"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18CFhFOHzlh76WMO/Tj+pbz" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UJYV9y+Ta09JEZNLVONy/o+An7Q= sha1:Fmo23ih4Kn3HHj0/1qi4j8c2Ka0= richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) writes: > In article <103k5nq$3ju79$1@dont-email.me>, > David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> wrote: > >>> 3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 41971 69399 3751... >> 3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 6939... > > (reformatted) > > Presumably the first was copied from a listing in groups of 5 digits, > and one group was missed out. > >>Oh, who decides? > > A substantial proportion of the population are capable of learning the > necessary maths and writing a program to determine which is correct. > A much smaller proportion are sufficiently motivated to do so. > > If you don't trust the computer, it would be possible to use the > formula > > pi = 16 atan(1/5) = 4 atan(1/239) > > to calculate it by hand to that precision. William Shanks used it and > obtained 527 decimal places correctly in 1853. This was not surpassed > (and an error found in his later digits) until 1946 using a mechanical > calculator. By hand, I think I'd favour the spigot method. I know Matt Parker (/Stand-Up Maths/ on youtube) likes to organise the manual calculation of pi on "pi day", and I'm a little disappointed he's never tried spigot. I think its Big-Oh is superior to any of the algorithms that effectively do arbitrary precision arithmetic, as you never need to deal with numbers much bigger than a hundred. Phil -- We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization. -- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/