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From: Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk>
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Subject: Re: Simple enough for every reader?
Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 01:46:39 +0100
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WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> writes:
(AKA Dr. Wolfgang Mückenheim or Mueckenheim who teaches "Geschichte
des Unendlichen" and "Kleine Geschichte der Mathematik" at Technische
Hochschule Augsburg.)

> On 28.05.2025 01:06, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> writes:
>
>>> Maybe the idea is that an exposure to nonsense helps students to learn
>>> to identify nonsense when they see it.
>> They have to regurgitate the nonsense to get the marks.  I once asked WM
>> what would happen if a student presented real mathematics in the exam
>> and he said they would not get the marks.
>
> No, you are lying.

That's harsh.  I may simply have misremembered what you said about this
before.  If so I apologise.  But I see you /don't/ in fact say they that
would get the marks.  You only say that they would need to be convinced
they were wrong.  What if they were not convinced and stuck by the
answer they had written in the exam?

> I would have asked him to explain his position

In the UK (at least at the universities I am familiar with), exam papers
must be marked according to a pre-written mark scheme.  There is no
option to interview the student after they submit their paper.  Does
this really happen in Germany?  And if so, does the interview have only
one outcome -- agree or else?  Do you not have to write marking schemes
for your exams?  And if in fact you do, what do yours say about
alternative answers?  Everything I learn from you about German colleges
is rather alarming.

> and would
> have convinced him that your "real" mathematics is self-contradictory

Ah.  But what if they were not convinced?  What marks would they get for
asserting the maths found in hundreds of textbooks and papers?

-- 
Ben.