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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:59:08 -1000 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 42 Message-ID: <87y0xtjts3.fsf@localhost> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <1976765442.762208809.808387.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <20250225130315.00004e34@gmail.com> <lhqvP.1323465$if26.592741@fx13.iad> <vplmop$2lj8$1@gal.iecc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 03:59:25 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f059cba56fe322e4ed3641c7b5cd40f8"; logging-data="2406501"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+fivTOUjCdlbrRjvzEescdZZx6M9RV9j8=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wBycoFgdDp26olZPw/GPB8M86g0= sha1:9GtiR9kw64zp08y0w0XgTEUnbgc= Bytes: 3344 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: > The VAX was developed over a decade later, when they put thousands of > transistors on each logic chip and thousands of bits in each memory chip. It > suffered from a severe case of second system syndrome, where they started from > the elegant PDP-11 and added every feature a programmer could ever possibly > want, with less than fabulous performance to match. There's a reason that the > VAX inspired RISC systems. I've claimed that John Cocke did RISC/801 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cocke_(computer_scientist) https://www.ibm.com/history/john-cocke The effort to develop RISC began in 1974, when IBM tasked Cocke and a team of researchers with creating an exchange controller to automate telephone switching -- phone calls were then largely handled by human operators who plugged cords into switchboards. Although IBM canceled the controller project in 1975, the team's efforts morphed into the creation of the first prototype computer that used RISC. The new system's power and efficiency became foundational to computer evolution up to the present day. as counter to the Future System complexity, future system http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/fs.html folklore is that the complexity of "Future System" was countermeasure to the clone/compatible competition. FS was completely different from 370 and was going to completely replace 370 and internal politics during FS, was killing off 370 efforts (the lack of new 370 during the period is credited with given clone 370 makers, including Amdahl, more market foothold). All during FS, I continued to work on 370 and would periodically ridicule FS, including analogy with long playing cult film down in central sq (lots of blue sky stuff going on with little idea on how it might be implemented). One of the last nails in the FS coffin was analysis by the IBM Houston Scientific Center that if 370/195 applications were redone for FS machine made out of the fastest technology available, it would have throughput of 370/145 (about 30 times slowdown). -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970