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From: Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: Antipersonnel infrastructure
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:00:39 -0400
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

> On 6/10/2024 9:47 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 16:26:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/9/2024 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 09 Jun 2024 18:28:36 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun Jun 9 13:15:59 2024 AMuzi  wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/9/2024 12:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/9/2024 11:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun Jun 9 09:59:54 2024 AMuzi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's an example. Ohio's latest utility scam sent several
>>>>>>>>> people out of office and on their way to prison. The latest
>>>>>>>>> Illinois caper (and the same scam is not unique to those two
>>>>>>>>> States) which involved much higher amounts has lingered for
>>>>>>>>> years with only a coupe of minor players prosecuted.
>>>>>>>>> big players are known and have been for years in the papers.
>>>>>>>>> And yet...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Elect a Democrat! Install criminals in office to really
>>>>>>>> make the kind of government that Americans deserve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Ohio utility scam was massively huge and involved
>>>>>>> powerful politicians all the way up to (allegedly) the
>>>>>>> governor, although so far he doesn't seem to have directly
>>>>>>> profited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All involved are Republicans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Or were. One died by suicide.)
>>>>
>>>> Sam Randazzo was the chairman of the Ohio Public Utilities Commission
>>>> which is not a political position.  However, he was appointed by
>>>> Governor Mike DeWine, who is a Republican.  He also contributed
>>>> heavily to Republican organizations:
>>>> <https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/5698368/Samuel-Randazzo-campaign-contributions-to.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> Note that he contributed mostly to Republican candidates, but also
>>>> contributed to a few Democrat candidates including Barack Obama and
>>>> Joe Biden:
>>>> <https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=Samuel+Randazzo>
>>>>
>>>>>> +1 to that.
>>>>>> There are no large groups without some thieves.
>>>>
>>>> Of course that's true.  Big groups is where the big money lives.  It
>>>> doesn't make much sense to steal small money from small groups.
>>>>
>>>>> Am I surprised that Frank blames the acts of criminal felons on "Republicans" as if a man robbing you at gunpoint has the slightest interest in politics.
>>>>
>>>> "Ohio nuclear bribery scandal"
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_nuclear_bribery_scandal>
>>>>
>>>> "Ohio arrests bribery case: Who are Larry Householder, Matt Borges,
>>>> Generation Now, others charged"
>>>> <https://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/21/ohio-bribery-fbi-larry-householder-matt-borges-jeff-longstreth-juan-cespedes-neil-clark/5479443002/>
>>>>
>>>> I looked up everyone mentioned in the above articles which held
>>>> political office and which profited from the bribery scandal.  All
>>>> were either Republicans or worked for Republican causes.
>>>>
>>>> There may have been a Democrat who was implicated but I couldn't find
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right, which reflects contemporary government[R] in Ohio.
>>>
>>> Illinois is the mirror image; same story, basically, with
>>> Democrats:
>>> https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/05/29/illinois-lawmakers-quietly-extend-cellular-law-part-of-att-michael-madigan-bribery-case/
>>>
>>> With extra style points for extending the same crooked
>>> regulation under an IL House bill titled, "Campground Hot
>>> Tubs". Republicans do it, yes, but the Democrats just do it
>>> better!
>>>
>>> That's the telephone bribery affair. Illinois has a
>>> concurrent ComEd electric utility bribery racket in court as
>>> well:
>>> https://www.nprillinois.org/illinois/2023-12-18/sentencing-delayed-for-comed-bribery-defendants-request-to-hold-up-madigan-case-also-expected
>>>
>>> https://www.chicagotribune.com/2023/05/02/michael-madigan-comed-and-corruption-timeline-of-how-the-investigation-unfolded/
>>>
>>> which started earlier and will go on for a very very long time.
>> Nice example.  However, one does not need to be politically
>> connected
>> to squander public funds for self-enrichment.  The McMartin preschool
>> trial of the 1980's had no partisan politics involved, yet made money
>> for all involved, except for the alleged victims (the children):
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial>
>> "The case lasted seven years and cost $15 million, the longest and
>> most expensive criminal case in the history of the United States legal
>> system, and ultimately resulted in no convictions."
>> I don't believe it's the longest criminal trial but at $15 million,
>> all at public expense, it is probably the most expensive criminal
>> case.
>> 
>
> Yes, I followed it daily. A complete tragedy, which ruined the lives
> of innocents (the McMartin extended family) where there was no initial
> crime at all.
>
> But doesn't that pertain more to prosecutorial errors* than to the
> usual expected public contract corruption?
>
> https://innocenceproject.org/exonerations-data/
>
> *whether feckless or pernicious the result is the same for the wrongly
> accused.

Could be worse, as in the Fells Acres case where the innocents were
convicted.