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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:54:14 +0000
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:39:15 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:15:50 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:23:41 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 0:13:13 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:07:50 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 16:51:59 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 15:52:18 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> That's okay, Pendragon, but I think George Dance has some things to say
>>>>>>>>> about the poem, since George Dance was the person who mentioned MFH in
>>>>>>>>> this thread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Based on George's reaction to the previous comments of my colleague, Dr.
>>>>>>>> NancyGene and myself, I should think that he would want to stick a "No
>>>>>>>> Trespassing" sign on his father's lawn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see HarryLiar is still miffed that I called the comments of him and
>>>>>> "Dr." NastyGoon psychobabble (which is why he's started calling our
>>>>>> psychoanalysis of him "psychobabble"),
>>>>>
>>>>> I honestly don't recall your having previously used the term, George.
>>>>
>>>> I certainly can't call you a liar for that. Both Will and I have
>>>> commented on your selective memory. But that of course belongs in the
>>>> "Psycho-epistemology" thread; you're only bringing it up her
>>>
>>> It is hardly a matter of selective memory to not know who first
>>> introduced a commonly used word into a specific Usenet group over seven
>>> years ago.
>>>
>>> Why should *anyone* remember such a triviality?
>>>
>>> More importantly... why do you remember it?
>>>
>>>>> I suspect that all (me, NancyGene, and yourself) used it when we were
>>>>> discussing your poem in the past...
>>>>
>>>> I seriously doubt that either "Doctor" Peabrain or "Doctor" NastyGoon
>>>> referred to their own efforts as psychobabble.
>>>
>>> No one said that we did, George.
>>>
>>> (Attempted "straw man" noted.)
>>>
>>> It does, otoh, make perfect sense that we would have used it in response
>>> to one of your signature IKYABWAI outbursts, which our psychological
>>> evaluations provoked.
>>>
>>>>> but I really don't care enough to
>>>>> bother looking it up.
>>>>
>>>> Of course you don't care to look anything up before talking about it.
>>>> But that, too, belongs on the "Psycho-Epistemology" thread.
>>>
>>> What makes you think that I have any interest in talking about it?
>>>
>>> It is a ridiculously inconsequential point at most.
>>>
>>> "Psychobabble" is a commonly used word used to dismiss a
>>> psychology-based argument as worthless because the person making the
>>> analysis is merely throwing around psychological terminology without
>>> having a valid understanding of what they actually mean.
>>>
>>> It's exactly the sort of word you would employ, because you act under
>>> the childish assumption that sticking a negative label on an argument
>>> somehow automatically negates it.
>>>
>>> OTOH, it's exactly the sort of word which would apply to your own
>>> attempts at psychological evaluation, as your *misuse* of clinical words
>>> like "transference" makes embarrassingly clear.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm calling yours "psychobabble" because your misuse of psychology-based
>>>>> terms like "transference" make it clear that you have little to no
>>>>> knowledge of the subject.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for giving me something I *can* call you a liar for, Lying
>>>> Michael. In point of fact, you were copying the term "psychobabble"
>>>> before you accused me of misusing the term "transference" (which I may
>>>> well be; it looks like psychological jargon for what's commonly called
>>>> "projection")
>>>
>>> Wrong, George.
>>>
>>> Your entire attempt at psychoanalysis is as ignorant as your misuse of
>>> that well known psychological term.  In short, your understanding of
>>> psychology is parallel with your Donkey's understanding of English
>>> (perhaps a slight exaggeration, but it's almost Donkey level).
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, we've heard your misrepresentation, Pendragon, I said George Dance
>>>>>>> might have something to say about his poem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I'd prefer that readers read my poem, and my own comments on
>>>>>> it, rather than HarryLiar's psychobabble about it. So I'll be happy to
>>>>>> post and talk about it again when I have time.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're becoming as attention hungry as your Donkey, George.
>>>>
>>>> HarryLiar, try to make some sense. You've noted correctly that
>>>> post-google there are hardlly any people reading aapc; I'm certainly not
>>>> seeking "attention" for the poem from a non-existent audience.
>>>
>>> LOL! No, George.  You're desperate for attention from me.
>>>
>>> Not that I blame you.  I'm an excellent, and often challenging,
>>> conversationalist; and you've been stuck here for the past year with no
>>> one but the Donkey and his socks to keep you company.
>>>
>>> If I sent you a soccer ball at this point, you'd welcome it with open
>>> arms.
>>>
>>>
>>>> My reason for opening a new thread would be because you're constantly
>>>> bringing up my poem in unrelated threads, as per your M.O. which I
>>>> already noted. (As that contained a few typos), I'll copy it in here:
>>>>
>>>> "That's been your regular M.O. since you showed up. Whenever I try to
>>>> have
>>>> a conversation with Will, about anything, you jump in and start spewing
>>>> false claims about something else, in the mistaken belief that I'd only
>>>> have two options:
>>>> (1) try to refute your false claims, in which case you've successfully
>>>> disrupted the conversation; or
>>>> (2) ignore them (in which some people might think those false claims of
>>>> yours are actually true)."
>>>
>>> When you're having a conversation *about me*, you mean to say, deceitful
>>> George.
>>>
>>> If you make false statements about me on a social media platform
>>> (libel), you should expect, at very least, a refutation.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> To save time, why don't you just bump the old thread up to the top of
>>>>> the feed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rereading it requires much less time on both our parts than repeating
>>>>> the same points that we'd made at the time.
>>>>
>>>> HarryLiar, no one is asking you to comment on that thread (or any of the
>>>> other threads I've opened FTM). If you have nothing to say on the poem,
>>>> you're more than welcome to sit that one out.
>>>
>>> Since the Subject of this thread is "Re: The Lime sock on Stephan
>>> Pickering and NAMBLA" (and since "The Lime sock[sic]" is the latest
>>> childish name you have come up with to call me
>>
>> Ever the hypocrite here's Michael Pendragon whining about childish name
>> calling when he's the one who began that practice here years ago.
>
> I'm not complaining about the name-calling

Stop lying, Pendragon.

You've been incessantly whining about what you call childish name
calling for weeks, now.

> I'm merely pointing out that "The Lime sock[sic]" is George Dance's
> latest name for me.

And you've been whining incessantly about it for a couple of weeks, now,
Pendragon.

And so it goes.