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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Coumting bikes
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 12:18:57 -0400
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On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:28:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/19/2024 9:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/19/2024 6:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> Why would
>>>>>> anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
>>>>
>>>> Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
>>>> them following other people.
>>>
>>> So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding 
>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
>>>
>>> On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at 
>>> least 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd 
>>> never ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I 
>>> carried on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, 
>>> riding fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
>>>
>>> Some folks are much more limited.
>>>
>> That's your value judgement on a matter of personal taste.
>
>Wait - what part is my value judgment? You certainly can't be 
>disagreeing with "some folks are much more limited"!
>
>> Meanwhile Mr Tricycle is free to ride wherever he likes with whomsoever 
>> he pleases. Or with no one.
>
>Of course he is. I made no commandments.
>
>> I'm maybe less a misanthrope, but I quit 'group rides' 35 years ago and 
>> don't miss them, or that sort of conversation,  at all. 
>
>And I agree, that's (apparently) fine for you. Some folks like group 
>rides, some don't. (For me, it depends on the group members.)

Me too. I prefer people who don't try to tell me what to do or
complain if I don't ride according to their plans and requirements.
Well, gosh, I guess that eliminates all group rides.

>But at the same time, you don't denigrate those who do choose to 
>converse with others, or who choose to help others' riding in various 
>ways - by showing them nice routes they might never discover, by helping 
>them with mechanical problems, by giving riding tips to newbies, etc.
>
>I'm also willing to bet that you occasionally give some minor greeting 
>to a stranger who greets you. At least, you don't brag about ignoring 
>people who say hello. And (gosh!) you've actually posted photos of you 
>riding with others! I certainly don't recall you insulting those who 
>ride with friends.

Explaining that I don't understand why some people like to ride in
groups is not an insult.

>And about my "limited" comment: Everyone has limitations. I have several 
>friends with capability limitations, including one who restricts his 
>cycling almost entirely to paths, because of a combination of low power 
>and nervousness. But he'd never say his bicycling life is as good as 
>mine. He recognizes his limitations are detriments.

Imaginary friends are easy to understand.

>Similarly, what if we were to compare your mechanical skills with those 
>of some newbie mechanic who could install a water bottle cage, but 
>couldn't adjust a derailleur or install a crankset?

<EYEROLL> Comparing Mr Muzi's mechanical skill to somebody who can't
adjust a derailleur is not at all similar to comparing your bicycling
skills to millions of people who also know how to ride.

>Sure, one can use work-arounds (take it to the bike shop; or haul your 
>bike to a nice safe path-to-nowhere). But lesser capabilities are 
>detriments. That's fact.

Not doing something that one could do if they wanted to do it doesn't
seem like much a detriment.