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On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:38:29 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>On 10/21/24 08:48, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 23:05:57 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 17:09:35 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am still wondering who is going to get the Chinese to cut their =
CO2
>>>> emissions now that they are 1/3rd of the world's CO2 emissions ?
>>>
>>> This is why I'm dubious about climate change targets.
>>>
>>> I'm a Canadian and every last one of us could commit suicide tomorrow
>>> and not help climate change as much as China or India or both =
reducing
>>> their emissions by 10-20%
>>>
>>> I'm NOT a "denier" but DO deny any international convention where
>>> China and India are NOT part of the solution can possibly be
>>> effective.
>
>	Well they are building a lot of solar and wind capacity.
>	But like some other nations they have to continue to use
>Coal and other fossil fuels until their capacity is high enough
>to replace other none-emitting sources.
>
>>=20
>> While your point seems valid and may be, in your case, honestly meant,
>> you should be aware that this can be seen as an attempt to maintain
>> the gap between "us" and "them".
>>=20
>> We enjoy the results of a century or so of industrialization, most of
>> it with no concern for externalized costs. (I actually read an article
>> that suggests that the reason certain French painter's paintings look
>> softer and vaguer as time goes on is precisely because they were
>> painting what they were seeing, and what they were seeing was softer
>> and vaguer because of growing air pollution.) Resting on this
>> foundation of wealth, we can afford to put the brakes on the pollution
>> express.
>>=20
>	Until all those fuel burners are replaced with electrical
>powered vehicles we have nothing to brag about in the USA.

LA smog is, as I understand it, pretty much a thing of the past.

Progress /has/ been made, and clean skies /are/ something to
celebrate.

It would actually be better to convince more people that they don't
need a vehicle at all. But not only is the concept of owning a car
very ingrained in our culture, there are many situations where they
make sense: less-densly-populated areas, large families, no doubt
others.

One of the Initiatives I voted on (ballot in mailbox [one of the new
ones where the sliding slope is replaced with a slot] yesterday, will
be picked up today, should be getting the "we got it!" email tomorrow
or Thursday) involved some changes to how a major natural gas seller
is required to behave. The most interesting arguments were:
1. If you don't pass this, "they" will take your natural gas away.
2. If the power goes out, gas furnaces and stoves keep working.
Our house doesn't have gas, and I can confirm that, if the power goes
out, so does the furnace, the water heater, the stove, and so on.
Also, as became evident some years back when the connections were
marked with little blue flags for some reason and our house was the
only one I went past that didn't have them, a very large number of our
neighbors /do/ have natural gas, so I would not be surprised if it
passes.

Our power utility has been working for some time to strengthen the
grid, both to avoid outages, make repairs faster, and accomodate EVs.

Oh, and most of the power is not from hydrocarbons; most is from
falling water.

>> But the rest of the world is in catch-up mode. Asserting that they
>> must do what we are doing currently as opposed to what we did in the
>> past to get where we are today can be seen as asserting that they are
>> not to be allowed to catch up, but to remain forever poor.
>>=20
>> I would hope that they are taking advantage of the tech we have
>> developed to reduce pollution or even invent new and better tech for
>> this -- that they can, IOW, do better than we did, a rather low bar.
>>=20
>> Thus does the dead hand of the past continue to influence the present.
>>=20
>> But, again, you may be reacting to what you see happening, not to some
>> ideology.
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"