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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Helping a tourist with STI problems
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 17:27:23 -0400
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On Thu, 22 May 2025 16:44:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/22/2025 3:55 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/22/2025 2:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 5/22/2025 11:29 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>>>> Am Wed, 21 May 2025 20:04:08 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> ... Spraying the guts thoroughly with lubricant has been the only 
>>>>> thing I've
>>>>> ever done to fix STI. Eventually, doing that enabled him to get the
>>>>> levers working again and allowed the repair to complete. As a result of
>>>>> all this, the young guy is going to do an extra overnight here.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, it's justification for my preference for bar end shifters for
>>>>> touring. I prefer simple devices with only visible problems.
>>>>
>>>> Then you should not use modern cars or cell phones.
>>>
>>> :-)  I'm very aware that my choice of an electric car was, for me, 
>>> very unusual. It was based on environmental guilt, due to the large 
>>> amount of driving I now have to do.
>>>
>>> If there were a simple alternative to a cell phone, I'd certainly 
>>> consider it - but for many electronic devices, there is no simple 
>>> alternative that's anywhere near as useful. Smart phones, radios, 
>>> televisions (although I watch very, very little) etc. can't be 
>>> replaced by simple mechanical devices.
>>>
>>> Luckily, STI can be replaced by bar end or other simple shifters. I 
>>> prefer the ruggedness, adaptability and repairability to the slightly 
>>> greater convenience of STI.
>>>
>>>> I too liked the bar end shifter on the touring bike I got in nineties of
>>>> the last century, even after getting a nasty stich from a broken wire
>>>> from the inner cable, while shifting.  Does that count as a visible
>>>> problem? :-O
>>>
>>> :-) That's a feature, not a bug! When that first strand of wire breaks 
>>> and sticks out, it's how the system tells you that its time to replace 
>>> your shift cable.
>>>
>>>>  From a consumers point of view, there isn't much difference between a
>>>> Tiagra STI lever and a SRAM eTap AXS Shift/Brake Lever, he or she can't
>>>> repair either one. Nor can I.  But the former component is a lot more
>>>> complicated than the latter.  A STI lever, whether Tiagra, 105 or
>>>> Ultegra contains a complicated ratchet mechanism inside, comparable to a
>>>> mechanical clock, while the latter one is a simple switch combined with
>>>> some electronics. Robust near distance communication by wire or over the
>>>> air is essentially a solved problem.
>>>
>>> I don't have any experience nor any data on the reliability of e- 
>>> shifting or wireless shifting. I have had problems with the wireless 
>>> cyclometer on my Bike Friday - signal failure in temperatures below 
>>> 40F = 5 C), technical details on request - but to me, inability to 
>>> shift gears is much more of a problem than inability to see my speed.
>>>
>>>> Of course we can design and build bicycles that a village blacksmith can
>>>> repair. Some people do. Who needs more than two gears? You don't need a
>>>> shifting device for only two gears. And so on.
>>>
>>> Depending on one's objective. This guy had set his derailleur so his 
>>> chain was on a middle cog. Shifting in front would have given him two 
>>> speeds. I agree with him that would not be the way to ride to Los 
>>> Angeles.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> "based on environmental guilt..."
>> 
>> Before purchasing a battery powered car, you felt remiss in not 
>> sufficiently promoting chinese hegemony in impoverished African 
>> countries, increasing child slave labor or expanding wanton 
>> environmental degradation from chinese rare earth refineries?  Just 
>> wondering.
>
>I left those issues up to you, Andrew. We make our choices, don't we?

I do. I choose hollow points for when I carry.

--
C'est bon
Soloman