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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 06:43:32 +0000 Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.west.earthlink.net:119 From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Subject: Sad - Desertions From Ukraine Army Quickly Increasing Organization: wokiesux Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 01:43:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <8iqdnbuVuekJmNH6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Lines: 70 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-R6qtvutRv/sq3ILuDpwa3O3pOwag/LbfoUq1oRv99D2qf6hf4vacpwFZvZvs7uJxrLtv82a+Fu08ydI!522vkoY/PvtdfLLr0BQTUr3+z1eERsSEh2O8wMxPsDODK8px/PNLVfXtK775KreRy95SERv7PCom!SQMOwzAdTBguA3j8L+Ww X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3826 https://www.euronews.com/2024/11/30/tens-of-thousands-of-soldiers-have-deserted-from-ukraines-army More than 100,000 soldiers have been charged under Ukraine’s desertion laws since Russia invaded in 2022, according to the country’s General Prosecutor. Desertion is starving the Ukrainian army of desperately needed manpower and crippling its battle plans at a crucial time in its war with Russia. Facing every imaginable shortage, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, tired and bereft, have walked away from combat and front-line positions to slide into anonymity, according to soldiers, lawyers and Ukrainian officials. Entire units have abandoned their posts, leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses, according to military commanders and soldiers. Some take medical leave and never return, haunted by the traumas of war and demoralised by bleak prospects for victory. Others clash with commanders and refuse to carry out orders, sometimes in the middle of firefights. .. . . Nasty - but not entirely unexpected. Ukrainians fought bravely and very well against an "impossible" foe for years now. They blunted and have largely held-away attacks from huge Russia. However they were always kinda over-matched. This was an impressive defense but despite western weapons it may not last much longer. Whatever they can bring in, Russia can bring in twice as much. All western 'sanctions' against Russia did NOT deter - just solidified their alliances with anti-western powers. The HUMAN element in Ukraine has finally become they bottom line. They're burnt-out. Some have suggested lowering the conscription age but I don't think that's gonna do much. Trump is gonna have to arrange and end to this war. He's the only one in the world who can. Yea, scary, but it's the Truth. Expect the current battle-lines to kinda draw where the armies stop (one reason for everybody pushing really hard right now). Vlad STILL wants ALL of Ukraine - indeed ALL of what was the USSR at its peak. It's his 'holy mission' as he sees it. This is NOT good. He's old now, has little left to lose by pushing things. Be AWARE of this. As for Ukrainian "deserters" ... my rec is to be as kind and gentle and understanding as possible. SOME penalties will be required, but do not be evil. They went up against the 'impossible foe' for the best reasons, with the best intents, and largely distinguished themselves. They were just 'beaten to death' in the process. -- 033-33