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From: Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:02:15 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 14:38:14 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 10:33:37 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 13:03:07 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 08:13:10 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>>an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't get too fired up.  The researchers are undergrads, and the
>>>>bit about microtubles originally came from Penrose, back before the
>>>>Neurocomputation field had found plausible mechanisms in vector
>>>>algebra over hyperdimensional parameter spaces.
>>>
>>>Undergrads and amateurs often shake up scientific dogma.
>>
>>Uncommon, but certainly not unheard of.
>>
>>
>>>>Given that microtubules are very widely employed in all cells for all
>>>>manner of purposes, blocking microtubules does not imply that quantum
>>>>mechanics are or are not involved, as blocking anything that
>>>>fundamental is likely to affect very many things.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Evolution seems to use anything that works, even if scientists
>>>disapprove.
>>
>>True, but unhelpful.  It's not enough to observe that if A is blocked,
>>B stops working, and therefore the mechanism is X.  There are many
>>mechanisms simultaneously in action.  One must methodically rule out
>>all but a single X to claim causality.
>>
>>Joe Gwinn
>
>I didn't claim causality, but it is possible.
>
>Discoveries usually happen through accident and speculation. Slapping
>down speculation leaves only accident, which is unlikely in this case.
>
>Designing electronics also benefits from being friendly to new ideas.

I must admit that I wake up with many dazzling ideas that don't
survive morning caffination.  But some of the survivors led to real
innovations, some now patented.

Joe Gwinn