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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: OT: Oakland update
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 04:03:46 -0400
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On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 20:32:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 7/7/2024 4:02 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 09:50:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 08:24:36 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 00:03:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2024 1:46 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat Jul 6 07:29:19 2024 AMuzi  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Just call 911.
>>>>>>>>>>> We'll be there at the end of the next shift, maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/07/06/us-news/oakland-looters-ransack-gas-station-as-store-owner-sam-mardaie-claims-cops-took-hours-to-respond/
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>>>>>>>> am@yellowjersey.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oakland police do nothing but protect those businesses tht pay protection
>>>>>>>>>> money. I ride by a place all of the time that used to be a Costco but is
>>>>>>>>>> now some other type of box store. At the entrance top the lot is a police
>>>>>>>>>> car with its lights flashing.. If theives loot the place I don't think
>>>>>>>>>> that he would actually shoot anyone but jump in the car and leave. You
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to be a witness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You lot certainly need to move considering the problems with crime and what
>>>>>>>>> not you have!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I keep telling him that.   :-/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people aren't so timid as to let the bad guys run them out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meh I or Frank aren?t the ones complaining of crime, london is far from
>>>>>> crime free as you?d expect from a city that size and also is variable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with complaining about crime? It seems to me that it's
>>>>> one way to facilitate official efforts to reduce crime.
>>>>>
>>>> Not on Usenet it?s not! I rather suspect it?s the click bate news than say
>>>> contact with the police/local politicians and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> Seems to me that it's just about as useful to complain about crime on
>>> Usenet as it is to suggest on Usenet that people should move, or to
>>> complain about people owning/carrying a gun or riding a bike in places
>>> and in ways that some people don't approve of.
>>>
>> 
>> Granted both have similar levels of probability though complaining on
>> usenets is absolutely zero, where as Frank is unlikely to convince you and
>> others.
>
>Although they have very little else in common, ISTM the two main 
>complainers about specific crimes are Andrew, with links to tabloid 
>articles, and Tom, with tales that may or may not be true.
>
>I complain mostly about America's insanely lax gun policies and the 
>resulting carnage and societal problems. I typically use citations of 
>national data.

Krygowski also spends a lot of time, effort, and bandwidth complaining
about things that don't affect him other than to remind him of his
inadequacy