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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: comp.theory,comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:04:00 -0500
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On 11/17/24 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 11/17/2024 2:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> void DDD()
>>> {
>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>    return;
>>> }
>>>
>>> _DDD()
>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>
>>> DDD emulated by any encoding of HHH that emulates N
>>> to infinity number of steps of DDD cannot possibly
>>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state.
>>>
>>> This applies to every DDD emulated by any HHH no
>>> matter the recursive depth of emulation. Thus it is
>>> a verified fact that the input to HHH never halts.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I will also add, that since you have dropped your requirements on HHH 
>> (or are seeming to try to divorse yourself from previous assumptions) 
>> there are MANY HHH that can complete the emulation, they just fail to 
>> be "pure functions".
>>
> 
> The damned liar despicably dishonest attempt to get away
> with changing the subject away from DDD reaching its final
> halt state.
> 

Which is just what YOU are doing, as "Halting" and what a "Program" is 
are DEFINED, and you can't change it.

DDD "Reaching its final state" is a property of the UNBOUNDED emulation 
of the input, not your LIE about the finite emulation that your deciders do.

For EVERY HHH that you have that answers non-halting, the ACTUAL 
PROPERTY about Halting for the input DDD is that it HALTS. PERIOD.

Your "But HHH didn't get there" is just your attempt to LIE with a 
strawman. The Emulation by HHH is just not a valid property to be asking 
about, because it is not an OBJECTIVE property.

Truth is based on OBJECTIVE properties, which don't depend on who you ask.

You are just proving you are too stupid to talk about the field, in 
pargt because you just don't undetstand what Truth is, or how logic works.

Sorry, but that is just the FACTS.

You just project exactly like Trump, everything you accuse others of 
doing is exactly what you do yourself, so you seem to think that 
everyone does it.

Sorry, but you are just killing your reputation and leaving a legacy of 
your deceit and stupidity.