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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: The actual code of HHH
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 16:11:09 -0500
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On 3/1/25 11:31 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 3/1/2025 7:14 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 3/1/25 5:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 3/1/2025 2:10 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-01 01:16:41 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/2025 3:16 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-02-27 15:29:31 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it is correct to report that HHH is unable to correctly 
>>>>>>>> simulate this halting program up to its end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In other words you are totally clueless that infinite
>>>>>>> recursion HAS NO END.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mean that having no end enables the simulation to the end?
>>>>>
>>>>> see my new post
>>>>> DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code
>>>>
>>>> In that post:
>>>>
>>>>> DD()
>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>>>
>>>>> When we hypothesize that the code at machine address
>>>>> 0000213c is an x86 emulator then we know that DD
>>>>> remains stuck in recursive emulation and cannot possibly
>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> When we add the additional complexity that HHH also
>>>>> aborts this sequence at some point then every level
>>>>> of recursive emulation immediately stops. This does
>>>>> not enable any DD to ever reach its "ret" instruction.
>>>>
>>>> The question remains unanswered. If the author cannot tell what he
>>>> means we may assume that he didn't mean anything.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your question applied to my ambiguous verbiage.
>>> I cancel that ambiguous verbiage and say that
>>> DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its
>>> own "ret" instruction.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Which is just a strawman, proving that you are just a fraud.
> 
> I don't have time left to talk in circles
> 
> DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its
> own "ret" instruction.
> 
> Anything else STFU about it.
> 


In other words, you admit to using a strawman, as the question to a halt 
decider isn't can *IT* emulate the input to a final state, but does the 
input represent a program that will halt or not, or would an actually 
correct emulation of the input reach a final state,

Your use of this strawman just proves you are ignorant of what you talk 
about, and that you just don't care about the truth, becuase you are 
nothing but a pathological liar trying to pass a fraud, which is going 
to be your eternal reputation.