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Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:56:46 +0000
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 15:23:14 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 14:14:16 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 23:08:34 +0000, Will-Dockery wrote:
>>
>>>> Anonymous wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 9:40:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> I Met A Girl
>>>>>
>>>>> I met a girl
>>>>> she came from California.
>>>>> It was in a dream
>>>>> we knew each other instantly.
>>>>> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>> from out of
>>>>> my high school past.
>>>>>
>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>> I've forgotten her name
>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> We talked
>>>>> a really detached situation.
>>>>> She said years ago
>>>>> I was so shy
>>>>> she thought I was gay.
>>>>> At this point I kissed her
>>>>> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>> I have forgotten her name
>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know why it was
>>>>> that I would think of her.
>>>>> I made a couple of puns
>>>>> about her name that made me blush.
>>>>> But her softness in tone
>>>>> made me feel all right.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I want to do
>>>>> is get in contact.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982
>>>>
>>>> Good to see....
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again, as I was telling Mummy Chunk, in 1982 when writing these
>>> poems I
>>> was highly influenced by 1950s Beat poets and 1980s punk rockers.
>>>
>>> So please excuse the foul language.
>>
>> And as I have been explaining to you, it isn't a matter of foul
>> language.
>>
>> Your poem depicts you groping
>
> No, not really.
>
>> That's not foul language
>
> Yes it is.

Wrong, Donkey.

There is nothing offensive about the actual word.

It is perfectly accepted to say that you dug a hole in the ground, or
that you had an ace in the hole.

Foul language is the term we use for words that are considered
unacceptable regardless of how they are used: "Shit," "Fuck," "Goddamn,"
etc.

Referring to a woman's vagina as a "hole" is considered both offensive
and misogynistic because it objectifies a woman -- treating her as
having value only as a receptacle for a man's sperm.

But the offensive *usage* of a word does not impact upon the word's
inoffensive uses.  Therefore, the word itself is not "foul."

And if the word itself is not "foul," you are not using "foul language"
when you employ it.

You are merely using it offensively.

As always, words matter.

Learn what they mean and how to use them correctly.

Michael Pendragon
"I don't pop pills unless there's no other alternative... being drug
free for a few years now, you know."
-- Will Dockery, on being clean and sober… except when he isn't.

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