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From: john larkin <JL@gct.com>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:41:27 -0700
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 18:46:56 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:02:15 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 14:38:14 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 10:33:37 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 13:03:07 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 08:13:10 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>>>an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>
>>>>>I wouldn't get too fired up.  The researchers are undergrads, and the
>>>>>bit about microtubles originally came from Penrose, back before the
>>>>>Neurocomputation field had found plausible mechanisms in vector
>>>>>algebra over hyperdimensional parameter spaces.
>>>>
>>>>Undergrads and amateurs often shake up scientific dogma.
>>>
>>>Uncommon, but certainly not unheard of.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Given that microtubules are very widely employed in all cells for all
>>>>>manner of purposes, blocking microtubules does not imply that quantum
>>>>>mechanics are or are not involved, as blocking anything that
>>>>>fundamental is likely to affect very many things.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Evolution seems to use anything that works, even if scientists
>>>>disapprove.
>>>
>>>True, but unhelpful.  It's not enough to observe that if A is blocked,
>>>B stops working, and therefore the mechanism is X.  There are many
>>>mechanisms simultaneously in action.  One must methodically rule out
>>>all but a single X to claim causality.
>>>
>>>Joe Gwinn
>>
>>I didn't claim causality, but it is possible.
>>
>>Discoveries usually happen through accident and speculation. Slapping
>>down speculation leaves only accident, which is unlikely in this case.
>>
>>Designing electronics also benefits from being friendly to new ideas.
>
>I must admit that I wake up with many dazzling ideas that don't
>survive morning caffination.  But some of the survivors led to real
>innovations, some now patented.
>
>Joe Gwinn

One way to get something out of a narrowband filter is to stuff a lot
of wideband noise into its input.