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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 02:50:03 +0000
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MHarryLime wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:43:26 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 21:03:34 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> General-Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Faraway Star wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I Met A Girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I met a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> she came from California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> It was in a dream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> we knew each other instantly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> from out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> my high school past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I've forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> We talked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> a really detached situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> She said years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I was so shy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> she thought I was gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> At this point I kissed her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I have forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I don't know why it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> that I would think of her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I made a couple of puns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> about her name that made me blush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> But her softness in tone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> made me feel all right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> All I want to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> is get in contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > The official version of this poem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Yes, that matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On y second read of this today, it captures that touch of Bukowski but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fully a Doc story... superb...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Zod.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thank... good to be back...!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great new art, by the way:
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/gallery/hth2PQb
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/gallery/BJgjm9m
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> As I've pointed out earlier, the poem is in the
>>>>>>>> Erotic poetry genre, and the characters are influenced by Beatnik and
>>>>>>>> 1980s new wave and punk rock zeitgeist of those e
>>
>> See below:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Qb21lsCQ3EM?si=Ire6VgsyvuzQui5j
>>
>>>>>>>> The poetry is a snapshot from 1982, very different times which you
>>>>>>>> apparently missed, Pendragon.
>>
>> Again ^^^
>>
>>>>>>> Admittedly
>>>
>>>>>>>> objectifying, insensitive
>>
>> It was a poem based on a dream in 1982.
>>
>> Those were different times.
>
> If you're saying that the 1980s were before the "Me Too" movement, and
> that sexually assaulting women was both commonplace and accepted among
> certain (male) crowds -- that is not an excuse.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Not at all, it's a very accurate depiction of a rock and roll romance
>>>>>>>> circa early 1980s
>>
>> See below:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Qb21lsCQ3EM?si=Ire6VgsyvuzQui5j
>>
>>>>>>>> I know because I was there, I lived it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you
>>
>> (False accusations snipped)
>>
>>>>>> No, it was all consensual, read the poem.
>>
>> Again ^^^
>>
>>>>> You do not say that it is consensual in the poem
>>
>> It's a poem, not every detail is included in a poem.
>
> That's a very important "detail" to leave unclear.
>
>>>> It was very clear it was consensual in the poem.
>>
>> Again ^^^
>>
>>>> For example, the girl didn't slap me or yell at me or anything.
>>>
>>> That's another classic quote
>>
>> Just saying she was enjoying my company, obviously.
>>
>> If  she wasn't enjoying my company she could have easily walked away.
>
> Or, as you had previously stated, she would have slapped you or yelled
> at you.
>
> Did women frequently slap and/or yell at you for coming on to them a bit
> too aggressively in those days, Donkey?
>
>
>>> Of course she didn't slap you, yell, or otherwise resist --
>>
>> Because we were just talking and having a nice time, if she didn't want
>> to be with me she could just leave.
>>
>>> stoned out of her freakin' mind.
>>
>> Again, it was a poem about a dream and in both she was very lucid
>
> No... in the poem she "talked real spacey" and your attempts at
> conversation came across as a "really detached situation."
>
> Those descriptions are hardly synonymous with "lucid."
>
>>> Just because you weren't the one who slipped a roofie in her drink,
>>
>>
>> That's definitely just another figment of your delusional imagination,
>> Pendragon.
>>
>>> doesn't mean that you had any right to take advantage of her when in
>>> that state.
>>
>> For starters, it's a poem about a dream.
>>
>> I didn't see any drugs in the dream.
>
> But you did see their effects: she "talked real spacey"/your talk
> created a "really detached situation."
>
>
>>> And don't try playing innocent about it.
>>
>> Play innocent?
>>
>> I was absolutely innocent of any of these accusations you've making.
>>
>> You mention, *twice* in your
>>> poem that she looked up at you and "talked real spacey."
>>
>> She came from California, talking real spacey like one of those Valley
>> Girls:
>
> If you meant that she talked like a Valley Girl

A lot of young people tried to talk in that way in 1982.

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