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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 10:42:14 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 8:16:21 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>>> rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:06:47 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When:
>>>>>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
>>>>>>>> geometry.
>>>>>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
>>>>>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>> D. He never said who he got it from.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>>>> He stole them from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hilbert disagreed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>> Here are two other versions of the quote;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
>>>>>> Einstein. But the equations are his."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
>>>>>> four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
>>>>>> did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
>>>>>> that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
>>>>>> could not.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
>>>>> Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
>>>>> for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
>>>>> despite their superior technical skills.
>>>>> Hilbert goes on to state that:
>>>>> In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
>>>>> ====
>>>>> On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
>>>>> corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
>>>>> (So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
>>>>> mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
>>>>> personally)
>>>>> ====
>>>>>
>>>>> Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
>>>>> if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
>>>>> who had just stolen his results.
>>>>>
>>>>> You had better forget about all this.
>>>>> You are wrong about it, period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> Stop talking idiocies,
>>>
>>> [snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
>>>
>>> Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
>>>
>>> Jan
>
>> Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
>> was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
>> deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.
>
> Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
> and what he intended.
> He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
> despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
> Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
>
> BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
> and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
> in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
> "If only I could calculate like you..."
>
> Jan
As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.