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Subject: Re: Another FOSS Gem
Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 07:57:53 -0400
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On 19 May 2024 11:22:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
wrote:

>Le 19-05-2024, Sebastian <sebastian@here.com.invalid> a écrit :
>>
>> Red Hat is the main company in the Linux community insisting that everything
>> has to change in order to make Linux "modern." 
>
>They should start by providing up to date distros instead of obsolete by
>design distros. Then I could start considering this claim seriously.
>
>> Systemd was from them, and
>> they also have a hand in Wayland, and usrmerge was their idea. They also have
>> radical ideas that haven't been forced on the entire Linux community (yet),
>> such as read-only rootfs, and image-based updates. 
>
>Their radical ideas haven't been forced on the entire Linux community.
>
>For a start, when Poettering came with the idea of systemd, Red Hat, his
>employer at the time told him it was bad. And so Poettering did it on
>his own time and came back to his employer with the working product. And
>only at this time did Red Hat decided to use it. And the other distros
>decided to use it because it was good. Ubuntu tried to remove SysVInit
>with upstart and were happy to switch to systemd when it was possible.
>
>For the archlinux community, the reasons are listed there:
><https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4lzxs3/comment/d3rhxlc/?context=3>
>It was not imposed by Read Hat it was a welcome change.
>
>So stop believing the crap displayed by FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever and learn
>what you are talking. Systemd wasn't a Red Hat idea and systemd wasn't
>forced on any distro, it was happily embraced by the distros.

Thank you for this history lesson. 

>> They always export their radical ideas to all other distros, 
>
>Nonsense. They never imposed anything. Other embraced their ideas or not
>but there is no imposition.
>
>> and if this extends to small details like the availability of
>> newsreaders, I'd expect to see them vanish from Debian and other
>> distros before too long.
>
>Nonsense. Once again. There is no relation between a radical idea and
>the availability of a newsreader in the list of packages. If there is no
>more use for a package, nobody will want to take care of it and it will
>be removed. It's just that simple. And as usenet is a dying media, there
>will be less and less use for a newsreader. There is no such thing as
>Red Hat telling other distros which packages they must manage and which
>one they shouldn't.

Usenet readers are likely of little interest to people nowadays who
have not only become accustomed to censorship, but embraced it and the
values stemming from it. I can't stand these people. Usenet 4 life.