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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 22:00:17 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 21:43:25 +0000, rhertz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 19:25:57 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 10:42:14 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>
>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 8:16:21 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:06:47 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When:
>>>>>>>>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
>>>>>>>>>>> geometry.
>>>>>>>>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
>>>>>>>>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>>>>> D. He never said who he got it from.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>>>>>>> He stole them from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hilbert disagreed,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>> Here are two other versions of the quote;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
>>>>>>>>> Einstein. But the equations are his."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
>>>>>>>>> four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
>>>>>>>>> did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
>>>>>>>>> that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
>>>>>>>>> could not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
>>>>>>>> Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
>>>>>>>> for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
>>>>>>>> despite their superior technical skills.
>>>>>>>> Hilbert goes on to state that:
>>>>>>>> In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>> On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
>>>>>>>> corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
>>>>>>>> (So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
>>>>>>>> mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
>>>>>>>> personally)
>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
>>>>>>>> if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
>>>>>>>> who had just stolen his results.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You had better forget about all this.
>>>>>>>> You are wrong about it, period.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stop talking idiocies,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>> Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
>>>>> was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
>>>>> deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
>>>> and what he intended.
>>>> He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
>>>> despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
>>>> Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
>>>> and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
>>>> in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
>>>> "If only I could calculate like you..."
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>> As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
>>> of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
>>> opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.
>>
>> Not all the history can be erased. About his "1905 papers":
>>
>> 1) The Journal Annalen der Physik was at the center of the multilevel
>> plot.
>>
>> 2) Willy Wien was the Chief Editor for Experimental Physics and Max
>> Planck was the Chief Editor for THEORETICAL PHYSICS at the journal. YET,
>> it was Wien, who had many unsolved issues with Planck, who authorized
>> the first paper (photoelectric effect). The paper was used to TRASH
>> Planck since page 1. Wien (a Nobel Prize by then) HAD ALL THE CONTACTS
>> with every physicist in Europe, and in particular with Lenard (another
>> Nobel Prize), who discovered and documented the photoelectric effect on
>> metals under UV radiation. This paper IS THE ONLY ONE that cites many,
>> many references and, CLEARLY, WAS NOT WRITTEN BY EINSTEIN but by Wien.
>> He tried to downplay the value of Planck's "h" by INVENTING a new
>> constant, and negating "h" along all the paper, except in a brief
>> section. He also INSINUATED that "h" was wrong.
>>
>> 3) After this first paper, Wien and Drude authorized a second paper,
>> which plagiarized several other papers in different countries about the
>> brownian movement.
>>
>> 4) The THIRD ONE (SR) was a plagiarism of years of work of Lorentz,
>> Poincaré and others, and is treated separately along with the fourth one
>> (E=mc^2).
>>
>> 5) Wien also awarded Einstein with a job, in 1905, to CRITICIZE 19
>> papers submitted to the Annalen, for which Einstein received a nice
>> amount of money.
>> Merits so far? NONE. Einstein's relationship with physics community?
>> NONE.
>> Einstein and his wife wrote the reviews. They needed the money badly.
>>
>> 6) When he was a little more known, by 1907, told to a journalist that
>> criticized his custom to NOT CITE REFERENCES: I'm not obliged to do so.
>>
>> 7) Read here HOW Poincaré ANTICIPATED Einstein AND Minkowski by years.
>> Also watch how Poincaré's notation IS WHAT IS USED TODAY. Poincaré
>> credited Lorentz for his work, and named the transforms as Lorentz
>> Transforms, after getting rid of the ether reference (which Einstein
>> plagiarized from BOTH).
>>
>>
>> Deux Mémoires de Henri Poincaré sur la Physique Mathématique
>>
>> https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Deux_M%C3%A9moires_de_Henri_Poincar%C3%A9_sur_la_Physique_Math%C3%A9matique
>>
>> 8) Einstein PLAGIARIZED von Soldner's theory about starlight deflection
>> (1801), Voigt's theory about wave equations transforms (1887), Gerber's
>> theory about Mercury (1897), Hilbert's development of GR field equation
>> (1915), AND APPROPIATED THE DUE CREDITS TO Besso (Mercury, 1913) and
>> Grossman's ENTIRE MATHEMATICAL BODY of GR (1913). Also DENIED the
>> generous help given by Levi-Civita during 1915 (letters are missing) AND
>> Schwarzschild (same year).
>>
>> There is also a quarrel due to plagiarism of the work of a female
>> physicist (1909) about thermodynamics, a history behind the 18"/cy by
>> making one of his slaves to use Nordstrom's theory (1913), a denial
>> about the contributions of Lorentz and Ehrenfest during 1915, took
>> advantage Pick in 1912, Bose in 1922. The LIST is too long to write
>> here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *************************************************************************
>> ALBERT EINSTEIN. Plagiarist of the Century
>>
>> http://allais.maurice.free.fr/English/Einstein1.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Note by the webmaster
>>
>> I wish to add some personal remarks to the above article.
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