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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:20:46 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <9650b7d28059864761c5f71981e30bd8@www.novabbs.com> References: <03116e1c09f85b3c8e75694bd3e2942a@www.novabbs.com> <998d52cb7818306151f58d993544178b@www.novabbs.com> <18032f841a674efe$320684$963880$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <620ad43513811d081fde9988fa2b12f3@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1063380"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="TRF929uvrTGZYJLF+N3tVBXNVfr/PeoSjsJ9hd5hWzo"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: cefb4c33981645a229d345bae7bb8942e6b32c35 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$cAT9xArBuVElRU6SC6NEJeUoQahLVWlfLRwq8A5x8IgXIrlnu7VTu Bytes: 3215 Lines: 47 On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:57:14 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: > Wozniak: It is a known fact that the relative motion of the Sun and > Sirius is -5.5 m/sec as they are moving towards each other. It is not > known which is moving towards which. That's not the total relative motion, that's the radial motion, called "closing speed." The tangential motion is much larger (~17 km/sec). Motion is relative so to determine "which is moving" requires specifying a reference point. The presumed reference point is probably heliocentric. > This is known from the frequency of the light waves. If the Sun is > moving towards Sirius, this shortens the frequency as certainly as > Sirius moving towards the Sun. Take just the case of the Sun moving > towards Sirius. Then, the frequency is shorter Frequency isn't "longer" or "shorter." It is either higher or lower. > because the speed of the starlight from Sirius is C + 5.5 m/sec. Completely false for two reasons. (1) It's not 5.5 m/sec, it's 5.5 km/sec. (2) Using the test equation c' = c + kv: K. Brecher, "Is the Speed of Light Independent of the Velocity of the Source?", Phys. Rev. Lett. 39 1051–1054, 1236(E) (1977). "Uses observations of binary pulsars to put a limit on the source- velocity dependence of the speed of light. k < 2 × 10−9. Optical Extinction is not a problem here, because the high-energy X-rays used have an extinction length considerably longer than the distance to the sources." So the assertion that c' = c + v is refuted to 1 part in a billion. This justifies the claim: "Any ray of light moves in the 'stationary' system of co-ordinates with the determined velocity c, whether the ray be emitted by a stationary or by a moving body." ―Albert Einstein 1905 "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." -- Richard P. Feynman "It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved." -- Galileo Galilei