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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:52:02 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <971448126.749088380.092448.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <5mqdnZuGq4lgwm_7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vcub5c$36h63$1@dont-email.me> <36KdnVlGJu9VLW77nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@earthlink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 02:52:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="34c7d93a0541d4d7e103751ad66bbb98"; logging-data="466478"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+OFMQTUY6mqifCevkVbxr2" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.3.1 (iPad) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NgPEo/nTY3T9R1qorp6QZk748Wo= sha1:CfLG7Bm6U0xhGu0I8pDzlJdTjM4= Bytes: 3269 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote: > On 9/24/24 8:26 AM, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> On 23/09/2024 23:45, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>> �� Hey, want "Real Computing" ? Try FORTRAN >>> �� or COBOL. THOSE were the foundation and >>> �� persist to this day. Wrote a FORTRAN app >>> �� just a couple of years ago - mostly to vex >>> �� the New Guys. Also a short COBOL app, that >>> �� oughtta REALLY give 'em the shits !� :-) >> >> Back in 1985, I changed jobs from a University computer center, where we >> did our technical documentation using Univac's @DOC processor, to a >> small industrial computer system integration firm, where we built >> real-time systems on RSX-11M. I missed the @DOC so much that I wrote a >> re-implementation in FORTRAN IV. Used it for years afterwards, until I >> landed at a larger house doing communications work on Unix, and switched >> to /troff/. > > > Hey, FORTRAN *will* Get It Done as neatly as most > anything else. If you need many decades worth of > exotic math libs, you'll find them in FORTRAN too. > It is NOT an obsolete language/approach. > > For the younger people, note that Python carries > over a lot of FORTRAN ideas, including easy > string-slicing. > > If you can do BASIC then you can do FORTRAN, but > does anybody use BASIC anymore ? Intel/IBM did > sell BASCOM ... a BASIC compiler ... and it DID > speed up yer code like by 10X :-) > > COBOL ... well ... would rather NOT use it. > The whole "self documenting" idea turned out > to be crap - COBOL is *hard* to understand > sometimes. That's why COBOL programmers can > get really high-pay jobs these days, because > so much of that irreplacable biz software > from the 60s was writ in COBOL. Nobody can > AFFORD to re-write it. It worked, it works, > it was writ by REALLY GOOD narrow-tie Dilberts, > so you just have to MAINTAIN it like forever. > For a long time, FORTRAN was the only remotely portable language, so lots of programs were written in it. -- Pete