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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
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Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 06:35:58 +0000
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 1:45:59 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 0:18:41 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:34:38 +0000, Wilk Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 4:49:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 5:47:00 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since MMP is trying to disrupt his psychoanalysis by attempting to
>>>>>> change the subject to whatever he can think of, and since I don't want
>>>>>> to let his attempts pass without comment, I'm being forced to open new
>>>>>> threads on some of it.
>>>>>> From: https://www.novabbs.com/arts/post.php?id=255645
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:42:11 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 5:55:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It seems that Senetto took the lead in attempting to drive Stephan
>>>>>>>>> Pickering from the newsgroup though, but that may have been fueled by
>>>>>>>>> Senetto's obvious Antisemitism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for reminding me. It was actually MMP who did that by bringing
>>>>>>>> NAMBLA to the group. That triggered Jim, just the way MFH triggered him
>>>>>>>> after he was told that it was really about child molesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you lie so much, George?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you project so much, MMP? (That's a rhetorical question. As noted
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> your psychoanalysis, you are playing the preemption game you learned
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> Peter J. Ross.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (That's a rhetorical question, as you've already intimated that your
>>>>>>> pathological lying stems from you having been abused as a child.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Lying Michael: I have never said, or even "intimated" (!) that I was
>>>>>> pathological, lying, or
>>>>>> "abused as a child".
>>>>>
>>>>> As usual, Michael Pendragon Jud makes his lies and misrepresentations up
>>>>> as he goes along.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why you're always repeating this line, Donkey... but if
>>>> you're attempting to compare me to Indiana Jones, I am delighted to
>>>> accept the compliment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> When Pickles joined the group, he simply posted ongoing entries in a
>>>>>>> proposed bibliography of some Magnum Opus he had been working on for
>>>>>>> years.  To the best of my recollection, this tome-in-progress was an
>>>>>>> attempt to tie all of literature, culture, and history together via
>>>>>>> Jewish themes explored in Bob Dylan songs.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's actually how I met Stephan Pickering, I bought one of his early
>>>>> books exploring the connections between the Kabbalah and Bob Dylan
>>>>> songs.
>>>>>
>>>>> This led to many years of correspondence, which my brother David later
>>>>> continued via snail mail.
>>>>
>>>> Finding connections between Kabbalah and a Jewish man's song lyrics
>>>> seems about as difficult of finding Christian connections in the poems
>>>> of a Catholic.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt that you've actually read Joseph Campbell, but you may have
>>>> watched one or more of his Power of Myth episodes on PBS.  If so, you
>>>> might have some primitive understanding of the interrelatedness of myths
>>>> from various cultures and eras, and maybe... just maybe... realize that
>>>> these myths (or archetypes) are often expressed through works of art.
>>>>
>>>> That BD would employ Kabbalistic themes is practically a given.
>>>>
>>>> Stephan Pickering's magnum opus in which he attempts to relate all of
>>>> the
>>>> material universe (right down to fractals) to BD songs
>>>
>>> It definitely sounded interesting, too bad it's probably lost now.
>>
>>
>> Pick's magnum opus never got beyond the bibliography stage.  Pick was
>> just copy-pasting quotes that in some way reminded him of BD lyrics.
>>
>> He never actually *wrote* anything about them.
>
> You're wrong.
>
> I've read a couple of Stephan Pickering's books on Bob Dylan, really in
> depth work.
>
> In fact this is how I met Stephan Pickering back in  1974, when I
> ordered one of his books from an ad on Creem Magazine, which also
> started our correspondence of many years m
>
>>>>>> Anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject can appear to have
>>>>>> "gone off the deep end" to someone who knows nothing of the subject.
>>>
>>> As Michael Pendragon demonstrates below.
>>
>> On Bob Dyaln?  I know enough to cover my ears whenever one of his
>> records comes on.
>
> I remember that.
>
> 😏
>
>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephan Pickering definitely knew his subject matter.
>>>>
>>>> his theory which elevated BD to the
>>>> position of YHWH, or God.
>>>
>>> That isn't really what happened.
>>
>> Since he never got around to actually stating what his theory was
>
> Going back to the first book Pickering sent me, he was connecting Bob
> Dylan songs to the Kabbalah.

A writer's works usually contain elements of the religion he was brought
up in.  My poetry and fiction contains many Biblical references,
allusions and symbolism because I was brought up in the Methodist faith.
 Many of my older works are, in part, a rebellion against the tenets of
that faith.  So it's to be expected that Bob Dylan's lyrics would tie in
with the religion in which he was raised.

Further, comparative religion teaches that there are similarities
running through all religions.  The more we strip the religion of its
dogmatism, the more those similarities become apparent.  Basically, all
religions have a basis in Mysticism, and all Mysticism is pretty much
the same (they just have different names for God). Kabbalah is similar
to Hinduism in many ways, and Hinduism is similar to Zen Buddhism, and
so on.

So, one can find similarities to any given Mysticism based religion in
pretty much any spiritual work.  For instance, I can find parallels to
both Hinduism and Kabbalah in both Pirsig's "Zen and the Art of
Motorcycle Maintenance" and Poe's "Eureka."  It's not difficult to find
the parallels because all stem from the same collective archetypes that
form "living myths" within the Collective Unconscious (which, according
to C.G. Jung, everyone's mind shares).

If one like's Bob Dylan, a lot, then pointing out Kabbalah based
symbolism in his songs might prove interesting.

However, Pick's Magnum Opus proposed (insofar as I could make out from
his bizarre posts) to find parallels between Bob Dylan's lyrics,
Kabbalah, and... everything.  But since Collective Unconscious
archetypes form the basis of all religions, philosophies, fairytales,
myths, poetry and even popular fiction, one would have to read
everything that has ever been written, tie them all together into one
inconceivably massive tome, then tie all of that in with science,
quantum theory, the existence of multiverses and... fractals.  IOW: It's
a fool's errand in that it's too vast in scope for anyone to accomplish.

Pickles appears to have always been batshit crazy, and this is exactly
the type of project that a psychotic would be drawn to as a means of
establishing some sort of order in his perception of reality.


>> we'll
>> never know for sure.
>
> Actually the archives will show, as Pickering explained it a few times.

Pickles' attempts at explanation were long, rambling, garbled rants that
mangled language almost as much as your posts -- only more
pretentiously.

>
>> However, based on the data dump of material he
>> posted from his bibliography, I'm betting it's pretty close.
>
> Not really.
>
>>>  And he rode around on a bicycle
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