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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 07:25:25 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <9c58496135506dadc17bae1b278cc0808a5a039d.camel@gmail.com> References: <v3501h$lpnh$1@dont-email.me> <v3dhob$2dio8$1@dont-email.me> <v3dk0d$2lfup$2@i2pn2.org> <v3dkf2$2e2po$1@dont-email.me> <v3dmnc$2lfup$3@i2pn2.org> <v3do66$2ejq2$1@dont-email.me> <v3dqka$2lfup$4@i2pn2.org> <v3dsev$2f6ul$1@dont-email.me> <v3dtt4$2lfup$5@i2pn2.org> <v3dvr3$2jgjd$1@dont-email.me> <v3e0rj$2lfup$6@i2pn2.org> <v3e1m6$2jmc2$1@dont-email.me> <v3f09p$2n53o$1@i2pn2.org> <v3feqn$2rdp3$1@dont-email.me> <v3fgat$2n53n$5@i2pn2.org> <v3fhan$2rsbs$1@dont-email.me> <v3fi55$2n53o$6@i2pn2.org> <v3fiq7$2rsbs$5@dont-email.me> <v3flc5$2n53o$7@i2pn2.org> <v3flm8$2sm3s$1@dont-email.me> <v3fm1e$2n53n$8@i2pn2.org> <v3fmlc$2sogn$1@dont-email.me> <v3fncn$2n53n$9@i2pn2.org> <v3fo1p$2t1ac$2@dont-email.me> <v3fqpt$2tjjm$1@dont-email.me> <v3fu48$2ulbk$1@dont-email.me> <v3g0b9$2n53n$17@i2pn2.org> <v3g0q4$2v3lp$3@dont-email.me> <v3g2t2$2n53n$20@i2pn2.org> <v3g3ja$2vho5$1@dont-email.me> <v3g7eb$2n53n$23@i2pn2.org> <v3g80k$30c96$2@dont-email.me> <v3g99u$2n53n$24@i2pn2.org> <v3g9tc$30pbl$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 01:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0fe18306cba5cf8887c5ee2c3faa8725"; logging-data="3173441"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX181ZA5danj1yVozhGjbABBa" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 (3.50.2-1.fc39) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lPF4izljZ0fTNSIOYJ7NA6XXeFk= In-Reply-To: <v3g9tc$30pbl$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4627 On Sat, 2024-06-01 at 18:12 -0500, olcott wrote: > On 6/1/2024 6:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > > On 6/1/24 6:40 PM, olcott wrote: > > >=20 > > > Show me where I said anything in the above spec about an aborted=20 > > > simulation. > >=20 > > So, why did HH stop simulating after some n steps? > >=20 > > Did it reach a final state in the simulation? if not, it ABORTED its= =20 > > simulation. > >=20 > > >=20 > > > When every possible which way DD correctly simulated by HH never reac= hes > > > past its own simulated line 03 then > >=20 > > And a simulation either goes until it reaches a final state of the=20 > > machine it is simulating, or it aborted its simulation. > >=20 >=20 > typedef int (*ptr)();=C2=A0 // ptr is pointer to int function in C > 00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 int HH(ptr p, ptr i); > 01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 int DD(ptr p) > 02=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 { > 03=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 int Halt_Status =3D HH= (p, p); > 04=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 if (Halt_Status) > 05=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HERE: goto= HERE; > 06=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 return Halt_Status; > 07=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 } > 08 > 09=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 int main() > 10=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 { > 11=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HH(DD,DD); > 12=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 return 0; > 13=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 } >=20 > When every DD correctly simulated by any HH cannot possibly reach > past its own simulated line 03 in 1 to =E2=88=9E steps of correct simulat= ion > of DD by HH then we have exhaustively examined every possible HH/DD > pair and each element has of this infinite set has the same property. >=20 > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* >=20 > > Nope, prove you don't know what you are talking about,=20 > > or are just a liar destined for Gehenna, > >=20 >=20 > Are you willing to bet your soul on the claim that you believe > that you are telling the truth? I do believe that I am telling > the truth and I also believe that you already know that I am > correct about the above statements that I made. >=20 You are just a talking machine, better than GPT. You have no soul. It seems you cannot say anything other than "I am right".