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On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 19:49:57 +0000, Pluted Pup wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 21:24:46 -0800, Rachmaninoff wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 4:49:58 +0000, Pluted Pup wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:56:24 -0800, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
>>>
>>> > #classicalmusic - I already have copies of copies of many of these
>>> > recordings (radio concerts with extreme intensity): Berlin
>>> Philharmonic,
>>> > 1939-1945, Furtwängler conducting. From tapes returned by Soviet
>>> Union.
>>> > Haven't opened this box (issued 2019, still available) yet.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/radio-recordings.html
>>>
>>> I have them and they are in fake stereo.
>>> They could have issued them in best quality,
>>> but instead they felt they had enough sound
>>> quality on the original tapes to waste it on
>>> fake stereo.
>>
>> That's an exaggeration. They are not "fake stereo" in the usual sense of
>> the term. There is a slight phase shift for ambiance, it's barely
>> noticeable. I don't mind it at all, and one could argue it helps what
>> are very dry recordings.
>
> They have the authentic tapes *before* they processed
> them! They didn't release them, they intervened and
> issued them through a "filter" of the fake stereo some
> call ambiance. The "ambiance" acts like a barrier
> between the source and the listener.
>
> They have the real tapes, they have no excuse to
> not release them on CD un-muddied by revisionist
> engineering.
>
> Fans of *intrusive* engineering can go gangbusters
> with labels like Iron Needle, Urania, etc., they
> have plenty of fake *ambiance*.

Once again, you are greatly exaggerating.

Maybe you're one of those purist fundamentalists who insist on keeping
every click, every pop, every dropout, every flutter, every wow, and
every ounce of hiss from the original to be untouched in the name of
fidelity to the original source.