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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Instruction Tracing Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 17:32:09 +0000 Organization: Rocksolid Light Message-ID: <9ceec7cd590edecc5c90a27aadeaf388@www.novabbs.org> References: <v970s3$flpo$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug10.121802@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <v995pm$1cni$2@gal.iecc.com> <2024Aug11.164438@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <v9bg6n$2u0ud$2@dont-email.me> <2024Aug12.072929@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <v9cabd$363e5$1@dont-email.me> <20240812110918.00005ea5@yahoo.com> <v9chub$37gr9$5@dont-email.me> <20240812181453.00004e50@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2344026"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="65wTazMNTleAJDh/pRqmKE7ADni/0wesT78+pyiDW8A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$FhzjJPI.YjlSNttpyNoKGeQO3MUjeQbPzSjJ8mBE.jOzSsl1K8b3i X-Rslight-Posting-User: ac58ceb75ea22753186dae54d967fed894c3dce8 Bytes: 2757 Lines: 41 On Mon, 12 Aug 2024 15:14:53 +0000, Michael S wrote: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2024 08:42:51 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Mon, 12 Aug 2024 11:09:18 +0300, Michael S wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 12 Aug 2024 06:33:17 -0000 (UTC) >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> But in spite of having, say, 2½ times the clock speed of POWER, >>>> Alpha was not 2½ times faster, was it? >>> >>> Of course not. >> >> That’s what I mean: it took several clock cycles per instruction, >> contrary to just about every other RISC architecture. > > On EV4 simple ALU instructions took 1 cycle , both for throughput and > for latency. > Shifts and conditional moves had latency of 2, throughput of 1. > Integer multiplier was not pipelined, but few RISC also had it > none-pipelined. Mc88100 had a pipelined multiplier, you could start a int mul every cycle or a single mul evey cycle or a double mul every 4 cycles. > Latency of integer multiplier was 19-21 cycles. 3 cycles for Mc88100 > On FP side both FADD and FMUL were fully pipelined (T=1) and had > latency of 6 cycles. > L1D cache hits were fully pipelined (T=1) and had latency of 3 cycles. > > So, as long as code/data was fitting in L1 cache, EV4 IPC was not > far behind competition. Relatively to MIPS R4K, may be, even ahead. > > Of course, cache misses were relatively more expensive than for much > lower clocked competitors. DEC's solution to that was wide and fast > system bus.