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From: *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Teilhard de Chardin - new documentary
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 15:12:44 +0000
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Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 14:01:57 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [cutting to the quick again]
>>> 
>>> You claim that there are a variety of types of eugenics and accuse me
>>> of being one-sided in my selection of a particular type, yet you are
>>> curiously reluctant to state what type of eugenics you think applies
>>> to Teilhard's ideas and why you think it does apply.
>>> 
>>> Feel free to come back to me when your hand gets tired waving, and you
>>> are prepared to state what you actually think.
>>> 
>> Maybe you should start by admitting, given the evidence of the many quotes
>> you have been provided of Teilhard himself, that Teilhard was actually
>> incorporating eugenics into his evolutionary philosophy and stop squirting
>> squid ink to cloud that issue.
> 
> So you don't want to explain what *you* mean by eugenics but you want
> me to agree that Teilhard subscribed to it anyway. I suggest you need
> to stand back and reflect on your line of argument here.
> 
Regardless of type Teilhard was incorporating eugenics. Slattery was
focused on the negative type with sterilization and you are too. I am
looking at it more broadly and maybe extending Teilhard the benefit of the
doubt, that he was incorporating a positive type instead, unless it can be
shown otherwise. Again I am backing away from Slattery’s polemics as he may
have taken his critique too far. But positive eugenics ain’t that great
either.