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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Relativism Killer Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 03:55:23 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <9d91aa3aaa3aa7cdb39805cb4f8d5d1d@www.novabbs.com> References: <f40c64bfda850777fbe034592f63d7b3@www.novabbs.com> <104qr02$1fhhd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="229112"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$hyOAZJyQjxxf3OnqxCIe9uG985NydxCy.JiK2ph39h5WRGYcqkNU. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180 On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 11:02:58 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote: > Den 11.07.2025 08:06, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen: >> "Relativism Killer: The Collapse of Conceptual Relativity at the >> Speed Limit" >> Rub´en Yruretagoyena Conde > > Why do you not give a link to the paper? > > https://vixra.org/pdf/2507.0037v1.pdf >> "Abstract >> This article introduces a conceptual function named relativism killer(), >> which demonstrates how the framework of relativity ceases to hold >> coherence once a fundamental maximum is defined. We explore the >> paradoxical boundary where relativistic logic collapses under its own >> limit: the speed of light. At this precise threshold, the relative >> becomes absolute, and the structure of reference frames disintegrates. >> We introduce the concept of an ontological observer the definitional >> entity, which reveals why the condition x = 1 terminates relativity. >> This argument serves both as a philosophical reflection and as a >> structural clarification of Einstein’s prediction, stripped of >> assumptions and exposed as a necessary geometrical condition. It also >> supports post relativistic models such as the Hijolum´ınic Theory." > > > Have you read the paper? > > Quote of the first statement in the Introduction: > "Relativity, as introduced by Einstein, is based on the notion > that measurements of space and time are relative to the motion > of observers." > > Do I have to explain why this is nonsense? > I do? OK: > > A correct, but trivial statement would be: > "Physics is based on the notion that measurements of space > and time are relative to the observer." > > The measurements made by an observer are obviously relative > to himself. The speed of an object measured by the observer > is relative to the observer. > To say: > "The speed of an object measured by the observer is relative > to the motion of the observer." > is a meaningless statement. Which "motion"? > > The author is very confused about what "relativity" is, > and when the very first statement in the paper is meaningless, > the rest is bound to be nonsense. > > Another quote: > "5. Philosophical Reflection: The Death of the Observer > The observer, within relativity, is always external. > But at the speed of light, there is no outside. > The act of observation merges with the act of being. > Thus, relativism killer(1) does not just signify a broken > formula, but a shift in ontological perspective I dare to say. > It is where duality ends, and unity begins." > > I will leave to you to figure out why this is nonsense. > According to relativity the relative speed of light does not include the relative speed of the observer so the observer finds the speed of light relative to him to be C even if he is moving towards or away from the source. This is not true of either particles or waves and is so illogical as to be irrational and utterly stupid.